onlooker wrote:Individualusm is mal adaptive to the challenges the human race is now facing. Those who chose to go it alone will perish alone
Cog wrote: The state will have to kill me before I will willingly submit to the level of control that Ibon wants.
Cog wrote:But Ibon from your self-imposed exile you feel it incumbent on yourself to tell the rest of us how to live in a modern industrialized nation. That we should sacrifice our individuality so that the state can impose conditions on us. I would have thought you would have given up on such foolish notions by now.
Cog wrote: ..........
Better to die than live as a slave to your state. Oh I forgot the citizens of your state are already slaves. Let your chains rest lightly.
Ibon wrote:If that reverence one day can be channeled toward our mother earth we will be truly free individuals. The state in its function would serve basically this spiritual orientation and be limited to a set of regulations that puts mother nature first in the service of mankind. Any action that does not pay homage with reverence to our mother earth would be constrained. It's fair because everyone would understand that these regulations are to maintain balance within carrying capacity. We wouldn't call it carrying capacity by the way. We would have some spiritual term for this.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Cog wrote:Seems a lot of historical earth worshippers involved themselves in human sacrifice. Druids, Aztecs, Mayans, and Incans. I guess if you are the one holding the knife it's not a bad gig.
GASMON wrote:You're a little hypocritical there Ibon regarding giving the middle finger to the world of commerce, I seem to remember you writing a while ago about deciding or not to sell property you owned on the Florida coast, concerned (rightly) about sea level rise. Get out while the going is good you inferred back then. So I guess you sold them and put the money in the bank etc.
KaiserJeep wrote: ......
I see my most important role as advisor and caregiver for the twin grandchildren, probably the one one adult in their lives with the most time to spend with them.
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GASMON wrote:Ibon wrote: Guests having traveled far looking for that contact with mother nature.
My contact with mother mature is about 15 minutes walk away I live just to the south of the photo.
The walk (or bike ride) does me good, keeps me fit also. All you see here was over 100 years ago a cannel coal mining area with iron works and foundries where the golf course is today. The "billionaire" back then was Lord Crawford, who lived in Haigh Hall centre right. He gifted the house and land to the people of Wigan when the coal ran out & iron works moved elsewhere in the early 20th century. It's now a hotel / museum / country park & golf course.
Perhaps we do not have the variety of nature found up on Mount Volcan, but the area is light years away from the poet Blake's "Dark satanic mills" or the industrial deprivation George Orwell wrote about in his book "The road to Wigan Pier". Mother nature has claimed it back.
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Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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