[shakespear1]

But at least Russia has a chance since its government is not run by the oligarchs like some banana republic.

I agree with one part of this statement, it is not a Banana Republic.

As to the oligarchs, it has new ones that need to play to a different "tune", and the melody is not being composed in London or New York.

[dissident]

The tune is being composed by the elected Russian government and this drives the west crazy.

[Taghayee]

I gained faith in Russia after Putin but soon realized that Russkies will always be Russkies. They are like the strip joint muscle head bouncers. They lack vision and are always scared little big babies deep inside.
When American subs drowned their Kursk, they just accepted cash and forgot about those that perished. US would have never gone down the same path and thats why they are where they are. Furthermore, US is helping their ME ally, 'that shitty little country' with impunity and in defiance of everything and everyone under the sun; the Russkies are too scared to honor their legal contracts with their ally- Iran. They are scared that they might get isolated. This way they can never gain a solid foothold in ME.... the lack of vision that I was talking about.
Russians would forgo a million dollar tomorrow in favor of 100 bucks today. Thats why they will always be a second rate power with or without the US or West.

[americandream]

Actually, I disagree. The US is not acting in defiance of any entrenched opposition to its global hegemony apart from a few crazy muslims, and economic historians who can see where all this is going to end. America steers the global capital market, Russia is a passenger like everyone else. Hence the power disparity.

I gained faith in Russia after Putin but soon realized that Russkies will always be Russkies. They are like the strip joint muscle head bouncers. They lack vision and are always scared little big babies deep inside.
When American subs drowned their Kursk, they just accepted cash and forgot about those that perished. US would have never gone down the same path and thats why they are where they are. Furthermore, US is helping their ME ally, 'that shitty little country' with impunity and in defiance of everything and everyone under the sun; the Russkies are too scared to honor their legal contracts with their ally- Iran. They are scared that they might get isolated. This way they can never gain a solid foothold in ME.... the lack of vision that I was talking about.
Russians would forgo a million dollar tomorrow in favor of 100 bucks today. Thats why they will always be a second rate power with or without the US or West.

[Taghayee]

a passenger will never get to captain a ship and thats my point you wanna be comrade..

Actually, I disagree. The US is not acting in defiance of any entrenched opposition to its global hegemony apart from a few crazy muslims, and economic historians who can see where all this is going to end. America steers the global capital market, Russia is a passenger like everyone else. Hence the power disparity.

I gained faith in Russia after Putin but soon realized that Russkies will always be Russkies. They are like the strip joint muscle head bouncers. They lack vision and are always scared little big babies deep inside.
When American subs drowned their Kursk, they just accepted cash and forgot about those that perished. US would have never gone down the same path and thats why they are where they are. Furthermore, US is helping their ME ally, 'that shitty little country' with impunity and in defiance of everything and everyone under the sun; the Russkies are too scared to honor their legal contracts with their ally- Iran. They are scared that they might get isolated. This way they can never gain a solid foothold in ME.... the lack of vision that I was talking about.
Russians would forgo a million dollar tomorrow in favor of 100 bucks today. Thats why they will always be a second rate power with or without the US or West.

[americandream]

Whats my "wanna be comradeship" got to do with the fact that America and Britain steer the ship of Anglo-Saxon configured capitalism?

Facts are facts. Unpalatable as they may be.

Why do you think that Iran, to name one wanna be captain, is still pissing around with launching an oil exchange for crise sakes! An oil fcukkin exchange!!!

You want to critique a system? Understand it!

a passenger will never get to captain a ship and thats my point you wanna be comrade..

Actually, I disagree. The US is not acting in defiance of any entrenched opposition to its global hegemony apart from a few crazy muslims, and economic historians who can see where all this is going to end. America steers the global capital market, Russia is a passenger like everyone else. Hence the power disparity.

I gained faith in Russia after Putin but soon realized that Russkies will always be Russkies. They are like the strip joint muscle head bouncers. They lack vision and are always scared little big babies deep inside.
When American subs drowned their Kursk, they just accepted cash and forgot about those that perished. US would have never gone down the same path and thats why they are where they are. Furthermore, US is helping their ME ally, 'that shitty little country' with impunity and in defiance of everything and everyone under the sun; the Russkies are too scared to honor their legal contracts with their ally- Iran. They are scared that they might get isolated. This way they can never gain a solid foothold in ME.... the lack of vision that I was talking about.
Russians would forgo a million dollar tomorrow in favor of 100 bucks today. Thats why they will always be a second rate power with or without the US or West.

[Taghayee]

wanna be __________- is one of those bored, ill informed, often suicidal western kids that have nothing to do so they go and find something to follow in order to fit in or belong to some clique- some follow fity cen, some nin, and the nerdy ones take on communism/marxism. You fit the latter category.
You have no experience with communism/socialism apart from few sentences in some small book. You have not lived under a communist regime, you have not visited a communist country and lived there etc. Thats why whatever you say is not based on personal experience.

Iran does not want to launch their oil borse because that would be suicide. Aside from no one wanting to participate in it, it will invite further American wrath. Lets remember that Iran never boasts about global leaderships but stands firm when it comes to their right. Iran's problem with West is not the oil exchange but their nuclear program.

Whats my "wanna be comradeship" got to do with the fact that America and Britain steer the ship of Anglo-Saxon configured capitalism?

Facts are facts. Unpalatable as they may be.

Why do you think that Iran, to name one wanna be captain, is still pissing around with launching an oil exchange for crise sakes! An oil fcukkin exchange!!!

You want to critique a system? Understand it!

a passenger will never get to captain a ship and thats my point you wanna be comrade..

Actually, I disagree. The US is not acting in defiance of any entrenched opposition to its global hegemony apart from a few crazy muslims, and economic historians who can see where all this is going to end. America steers the global capital market, Russia is a passenger like everyone else. Hence the power disparity.

I gained faith in Russia after Putin but soon realized that Russkies will always be Russkies. They are like the strip joint muscle head bouncers. They lack vision and are always scared little big babies deep inside.
When American subs drowned their Kursk, they just accepted cash and forgot about those that perished. US would have never gone down the same path and thats why they are where they are. Furthermore, US is helping their ME ally, 'that shitty little country' with impunity and in defiance of everything and everyone under the sun; the Russkies are too scared to honor their legal contracts with their ally- Iran. They are scared that they might get isolated. This way they can never gain a solid foothold in ME.... the lack of vision that I was talking about.
Russians would forgo a million dollar tomorrow in favor of 100 bucks today. Thats why they will always be a second rate power with or without the US or West.

[americandream]

Taghaye

I am sorry to burst your bubble but the primitive muslim mind would simply not grasp the fundamentals of complex capitalist forms and its substance. Lets be blunt here.

Iran resides in a pre-capitalist feudalism and has yet to make the transition to the next stage of that development.

Russia on the other hand attempted to pole vault to mature socialism and failed.

Both are grappling with the complexities of making the transition to capital and have no choice but to turn to the US for the lead.

The failed bourse is only one example of Iran's socio-economic immaturity. The list is endless but a society successfully transitioning to fully integrated captalism which is what Japan, Germany and France are in the process of concluding, with China and India embarking on that road, is distinguishable by the emergence of complex financial markets.

[Taghayee]

"but the primitive muslim mind would simply not grasp the fundamentals of complex capitalist forms and its substance"

do you know any history? anything aside from posing you little poser?

[rangerone314]

"but the primitive muslim mind would simply not grasp the fundamentals of complex capitalist forms and its substance"

do you know any history? anything aside from posing you little poser?

+1
Ironic quote, considering we use Arabic numerals.

For primitive Muslim minds, consider the Persians Avicenna http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avicenna or Omar Khayyám http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khayyam

[Pretorian]

this hypo is a racist too! Nice to know.

[americandream]

I ask you to consider this. The muslim world is rife with contradictions. On the one hand, it purports ot be revolutionary yet on the other, no sooner does a radical muslim political grouping seize power, 3 things occur:

1 An arrangement is arrived with at the West whereby the muslim region or country in question continues its former role of being a commodities producer/aid dependancy (The Taliban following the overthrow of Socialist Afghanistan....extensive information on this on Google) whilst deferring to the leadership of Britain and the States in all things financial; and Japan and Germany for all things industrial. No real effort is made to really challenge the capitalist paradigm established by Britain and refined by America. In fact, radical Islam was a leading and enthusiastic participant in dethroning the only real challenge there has been to Anglo-Saxon hegemony, the USSR and it did so with twice the venom it displays in its "conflict" with the West.

2 Old forms of exploitation are reinstated especially gender based forms;

3 Islamic society is held in a technological aspic as the leadership of Islamic countries defer to capitalism for skills and expertise. Islam's greatest modern day achievement is rather abysmal at a few nuclear devices. Otherwise it is utterly dependant on the Anglo-Saxon paradigm for its bread and butter existence.

Is this the great Pretender to the throne of global leadership? Words are cheap. The Islamic mind is backward and confused. The Islamic leadership are the reactionary scum Marx quite rightly warned us about.

"but the primitive muslim mind would simply not grasp the fundamentals of complex capitalist forms and its substance"

do you know any history? anything aside from posing you little poser?

[rangerone314]

In fact, radical Islam was a leading and enthusiastic participant in dethroning the only real challenge there has been to Anglo-Saxon hegemony, the USSR and it did so with twice the venom it displays in its "conflict" with the West.

Sept 11 was half the venom they displayed to the USSR?

2 Old forms of exploitation are reinstated especially gender based forms;

The West shouldn't pat its back in its treatment of women. (Read: When Everything Changed: The Amazing Journey of American Women from 1960 to the Present by Gail Collins). From 950ad to 1950ad, the lot of women in the West has not changed much. We think we are so great for just a tiny sliver of history having happened.

3 Islamic society is held in a technological aspic as the leadership of Islamic countries defer to capitalism for skills and expertise. Islam's greatest modern day achievement is rather abysmal at a few nuclear devices. Otherwise it is utterly dependant on the Anglo-Saxon paradigm for its bread and butter existence.

Is this the great Pretender to the throne of global leadership? Words are cheap. The Islamic mind is backward and confused. The Islamic leadership are the reactionary scum Marx quite rightly warned us about.

You known what they say "Every dog has his day".

[Jotapay]

AmericanDream's pseudo-communist position and his/her theories have always struck me as ridiculously uninformed. It's a frustrating discussion to have. It's funny to watch someone else bang their head into that wall.

[americandream]

Wikipedia on the orgins of numerals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... ral_system

The Mayans were a great civilisation in their time. Contemporarily, capitalism will change but it wont be at the hands of Islam to replace this Anglo-Saxon industrial/financial paradigm. They have consistently fallen at the first hurdle and if they have shown an ability for anything, its at window dressing (women in burkas, flogging of petty criminals etc.) They simply don't have the ability to uniformly improve the material lot of their people and any replacement to capitalism must tick this box or be seen for what it is, a Pretender to the Throne.

[americandream]

Sept 11 was a walk in the park compared to the venom with which the CIA funded Mujaheddin (now the Jihad freakos tearing Pakistan apart) went at the Afghan Socialists and their Soviet comrades. Najibullah, the socialist leader, was strung up and hung, then cut down disembowelled and finally hacked to pieces. Bit excessive, huh

Socialists across Afghanistan experienced the most brutal forms of attack as these barbaric elitists sought to impose their addled notion of privilege on the largely stupified populace.
Google Afghan "Socialism in the 80's" and learn a lesson or two.

[rangerone314]

Wikipedia on the orgins of numerals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... ral_system

The Mayans were a great civilisation in their time. Contemporarily, capitalism will change but it wont be at the hands of Islam to replace this Anglo-Saxon industrial/financial paradigm. They have consistently fallen at the first hurdle and if they have shown an ability for anything, its at window dressing (women in burkas, flogging of petty criminals etc.) They simply don't have the ability to uniformly improve the material lot of their people and any replacement to capitalism must tick this box or be seen for what it is, a Pretender to the Throne.

And the Arabs took the Hindu numeral system pretty far... fractions, AL-gebra.

[rangerone314]

Sept 11 was a walk in the park compared to the venom with which the CIA funded Mujaheddin (now the Jihad freakos tearing Pakistan apart) went at the Afghan Socialists and their Soviet comrades. Najibullah, the socialist leader, was strung up and hung, then cut down disembowelled and finally hacked to pieces. Bit excessive, huh

Socialists across Afghanistan experienced the most brutal forms of attack as these barbaric elitists sought to impose their addled notion of privilege on the largely stupified populace.
Google Afghan "Socialism in the 80's" and learn a lesson or two.

And that probably had nothing to do with the shooting of Afghan livestock, carpetbombing of villages and farms, the poisoning of wells, the clusterbombs & other shiny munitions designed to blow the hands off of children, or the million or so civilians that died.

Afghanistan is not real country, it is an artificial entity drawn on a map of tribal areas by Brits eager to keep the Russians as far from British India as they could. The Soviets poked their noses into Afghanistan to support their communist clients and got a bloody nose.

The socialists in Kabul were the elitists trying to impose THEIR way on the country.

[americandream]

Wikipedia on the orgins of numerals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... ral_system

The Mayans were a great civilisation in their time. Contemporarily, capitalism will change but it wont be at the hands of Islam to replace this Anglo-Saxon industrial/financial paradigm. They have consistently fallen at the first hurdle and if they have shown an ability for anything, its at window dressing (women in burkas, flogging of petty criminals etc.) They simply don't have the ability to uniformly improve the material lot of their people and any replacement to capitalism must tick this box or be seen for what it is, a Pretender to the Throne.

And the Arabs took the Hindu numeral system pretty far... fractions, AL-gebra.

If Islam's contemporary performance is anything to go by, I seriously doubt that. Where are these great contemporary Islamic achievements? A few nukes, Dubai largely built by and opreated with expat and slave labour, and has been Turkey which has not been good enough for the last 40 years for EU accession whilst East Europe breezes in in under 10 years.

Islam is shit. A blight on humankind. The fact that it consumes such a lot of our time when we should be engaging with capitalism in a bid to meaningfully jettison it, is a travesty.

[americandream]

Lets see. China endured the Long March under Mao and with Soviet support and is now a valued memebr of the rational community of nations.

Afghanistan on the other hand is a psych ward of unwashed, pyjama clad [edit: aid dependant, refugee infested, fundamentalist] buffoons.

Yeah. I can see how smart your reading of history is. Keep it up.

Sept 11 was a walk in the park compared to the venom with which the CIA funded Mujaheddin (now the Jihad freakos tearing Pakistan apart) went at the Afghan Socialists and their Soviet comrades. Najibullah, the socialist leader, was strung up and hung, then cut down disembowelled and finally hacked to pieces. Bit excessive, huh

Socialists across Afghanistan experienced the most brutal forms of attack as these barbaric elitists sought to impose their addled notion of privilege on the largely stupified populace.
Google Afghan "Socialism in the 80's" and learn a lesson or two.

And that probably had nothing to do with the shooting of Afghan livestock, carpetbombing of villages and farms, the poisoning of wells, the clusterbombs & other shiny munitions designed to blow the hands off of children, or the million or so civilians that died.

Afghanistan is not real country, it is an artificial entity drawn on a map of tribal areas by Brits eager to keep the Russians as far from British India as they could. The Soviets poked their noses into Afghanistan to support their communist clients and got a bloody nose.

The socialists in Kabul were the elitists trying to impose THEIR way on the country.