[ReverseEngineer]

"Ukraine’s credit default swap rate – a risk measure – stands at around 3,700, compared with about 1,000 for Latvia and 560 for Hungary, two other east European states on IMF support."

So this amounts to handicapping a horserace to the bottom. Ukraine is the favorite in the race to hit bottom first here. Somehow they seem to keep finding more funny money to send thes countries? When does the life support end here?

Reverse Engineer

[Pretorian]

i don't get all this fear mongering. Ukraine's economy grew so much in the last 7 years that RE prices went up 1000 -1700%, thats in the country which loses 1000 people every day since 1991 or so. So of course, correction is due. This doesnt mean that Ukrainian doctors will be making $10 a month like they did in 1993. Ukraine had it rough since 1132 or so. Not a big deal.

[stu]

Ukraine government salaries halved amid crisis

Ukraine's government says it has halved the salaries of Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko and her Cabinet amid a devastating financial crisis.

Ukraine is among the countries hardest hit by the global credit crunch. Industrial output fell by one-third in February compared with the same month last year.

The government's press service on Wednesday declined to reveal Tymoshenko's salary. Ukrainian media say other ministers were receiving about 15,000 hryvna ($1,875) a month.

A major financial crisis brews in a massively strategic country yet the MSM seem oblivious to it. Maybe they're waiting for the collapse of the government until they start reporting on it.

[stu]

Experts forecast 12 percent fall in Ukraine's GDP, 18 percent inflation

Experts have forecast a 12% decrease in Ukraine's GDP in 2009 and 18% inflation, Ihor Burakovsky, the director and board chairman of the Institute for Economic Research and Policy Consulting, said at a press conference on Monday.

"Today we can say that actually 2009 will be a very complicated year, first of all, for Ukrainian producers," he said.

He said the expert forecast is pessimistic enough.

12% GDP drop off.

[deMolay]

If you look at the Eastern EU's labour costs versus the rest of the West's. This is very scary. Will it have to fall in the west until we reach these wage levels for the factories in the west to pick up again? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/08/world/europe/08ukraine.html?_r=2&ref=business

[stu]

Industrial Output Plummets

Industrial output in Ukraine sank almost 32 percent in the first quarter compared to the same period in 2008, but on a monthly basis showed some signs of recovery, the State Statistics Committee said on Wednesday.

Data from the committee showed output fell 31.9 percent in the first three months of this year against a rise of 7.8 percent a year ago. But in March, output grew 8.3 percent from February's levels.

The steel sector, vital to economic growth, was again the main factor behind the fall. Separate data issued by the committee showed metal output, including steel and ore, fell 43.3 percent in the first quarter year-on-year.

[stu]

Ukraine Government, Central Bank Agree on Bailout

Ukraine’s government and central bank agreed on a recapitalization bailout plan for lenders, meeting a presidential demand to allay International Monetary Fund concerns, said Central bank Governor Volodymyr Stelmakh.

“We have determined approaches and principles of recapitalization and we will start pragmatic realization today,” Stelmakh said in remarks broadcast by Ukrainian TV channel 5. “For the time being, we are talking about seven banks,” he said without elaborating.

[stu]

Ukraine on track to get IMF's $2.8 billion loan

The International Monetary Fund on Friday cleared the way for more rescue loans to Ukraine, one of the European countries hit hardest by the global economic crisis.

The head of the IMF's mission to Ukraine gave initial approval to the second part of a $16.4 billion loan package, recommending that the size of the installment be increased to $2.8 billion from $1.9 billion.

[bratticus]

Computer! What is the country with the lowest population growth?

Computing...

[Pretorian]

Computer! What is the country with the lowest population growth?

Computing...

Ukraine losing population is not a problem. 47 million is too much even for a biggest country in Europe. Having a lot of non-white scum among its immigrants IS a problem though.

[bratticus]

Computer! What is the country with the lowest population growth? Computing...

Ukraine losing population is not a problem. 47 million is too much even for a biggest country in Europe. Having a lot of non-white scum among its immigrants IS a problem though.

Ukraine is weak

[eXpat]

Deadly Hemorrhagic H1N1 Virus Mutant Appears in Ukraine

This may be the one to watch out for, an extremely deadly strain of the H1N1 virus has apparently emerged (via Recombinomics)...

The above comments from the WHO update on Ukraine strike a more serious tone than yesterday's quotes from WHO spokespersons playing down the alarming number of hospitalized and fatal cases, as well as media reports spinning political considerations, or politicians claiming only 15 confirmed H1N1 cases. As the WHO update clearly states, the dominant influenza circulating worldwide is swine H1N1 and it is assumed that most cases in the Ukraine (seemap) are swine H1N1. Since the official government website lists 19,189 influenza cases (in addition to more than 235,000 ARI cases), the willingness of politicians to cite 15 confirmed cases, as well as media support in the distribution of the propaganda, is unfortunate.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/0000000000000468
Could it be human mistake?

Evidence appears to suggest that Baxter International may be responsible for a new deadly outbreak of viral pneumonia in Ukraine.

(http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... o3LbhcA75I) In February of 2009, Bloomberg reported that Baxter "accidentally" sent vaccine material containing both live Avian bird flu and seasonal influenza to multiple laboratories worldwide. A laboratory decided to test the vaccine on its ferrets and the ferrets all unexpectedly died.

(http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... o3LbhcA75I) http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... o3LbhcA75I

It must be noted that Baxter has made a "mistake" like this before. (http://www.aegis.com/news/re/1996/RE960283.html) Blood products produced by Baxter once containd HIV. Thousands of haemophiliacs died due to this, and many went on to infect their spouses.

http://rense.com/general88/bax.htm

[JJ]

just got this email:
(sorry its kind of long)


Ray,

A friend of mine who is a journalist and PR consultant living in Kiev just responded to me with the following:

"паника есть - люди всегда идиотами были и будут"
"в Киеве зарегистрировано ДВА случая свиного гриппа"
"во всей Украине подтверждено ТОЛЬКО 35 случаев"
"Паника искусственно раздута медиа"

Translation: There is panic--people are idiots and always will remain idiots. In Kiev, only TWO instances of swine flu have been registered. In the entire Ukraine, only 35 instance of swine flue. The panic is an artificially bloated media campaign."

I think the above speaks for itself.

L




Is any of this true???

Dear friends,
This address by the Ukrainian president is full of messages that we may soon hear in our country (keeping in mind that we are currently in National Emergency status); I highlighted things I felt were particularly revealing/pertinent/disturbing in the message. Looks like Ukraine may be the guinea pig for what could happen worldwide. May God bless you with understanding...
-Meagan Beth

http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/15609.html
November 4, 2009
Dear fellow citizens!

I address you in performance of my constitutional duty under the Article 106 of the Basic Law of the state.

The reason is the emergency epidemic situation in the country.
Infections of viral origin, including the A/H1N1 flu, are rapidly spreading across Ukraine.

The emergency is evident in the scale of the epidemic: the speed and the geography of its spreading, rapid progress of the illness and the exceptional number of deaths.

People are dying. The epidemic is killing doctors. This is absolutely unprecedented and inconceivable in the XXI century.
All the limits have been exceeded - even those under the Constitution that determine my actions as the President.

Therefore I am motivated by the most important: the security of your life and your health.

Therefore I give clear and frank assessment of the situation. And you should know that.

We have special risk factors that aggravate the epidemic in Ukraine.
The conclusions of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, my numerous consultations with national and international experts show that.

First. Unlike similar epidemics in other countries, three pathogens of viral infections came to Ukraine at the same time: two of them are seasonal flu and the third is the A/H1N1.

According to virologists, such a combination of infections due to mutation may produce a new, even more aggressive virus.

That's why I have addressed the United Nations with the request to conduct a virologic examination in Ukraine and to establish the appropriate laboratory in order to take timely preventive measures.

Second. The A/H1N1 virus is easily mutating. It has travelled across half of the globe before coming to Ukraine.

This means that the virus has become particularly pathogenic.

This means that medical aid must be urgently reinforced by emergency, critical care treatment.

The third risk factor. It is generally known that the only way to prevent any infection is vaccination.

Due to unprofessional and highly disorganized vaccination against measles and rubella in Ukraine the practice of vaccination is compromised in essence.

According to the estimates of the Minister of Health approximately 58% of citizens are vaccinated today in Ukraine with the effective level being 90% and higher.

People have stopped getting vaccinated against extremely dangerous infections: tuberculosis, diphtheria, etc.

This led to high risk of A/H1N1 infection spread, when the virus came to Ukraine and made impossible preventive vaccination against both strains of seasonal flu.

All this made general epidemic situation in Ukraine even more complicated.

As the President I ask you, dear fellow citizens, to reconsider your attitude to vaccination and do it if necessary, but only, I emphasize it - only after consultation with the doctor.

At the same time I instruct the Government and the Ministry of Health to immediately start preventive and promotional work in areas where there is no epidemic, targeting primarily the special risk groups.

I demand the Government to immediately cancel the existing order of registration of medical supplies, including vaccines.

Studying this issue by the National Security and Defense Council shown that this procedure has allowed various dealers to bring to Ukraine dubious medicines, which are not recognized by the WHO or other national institutions.

Under my direction the Security Service is investigating the issue.

The fourth factor. In reality it is the Reactor 4.

I mean the epidemic, rapid spread of viral infections in the west of the country. The Government, the leadership of the Parliament and the opposition were all aware of that already in early October.

The first and the most effective preventive measure is avoiding large gatherings of people. (read - coordinated uprisings and/or other assemblies)

Ignoring this principle, hundreds of thousands of people from different regions were brought to Kyiv; from both the areas struck by the epidemic, and those where there was no evidence of this epidemic.

This greatly increased the risk of infection.

I emphasize: it was a well-known thing. And it was ignored by the Chairman of the Parliament, by the opposition leader and, first of all, by the Prime Minister. And Chief Sanitary Inspector, together with his subordinates in the regions, including those in the city of Kiev ignored their professional duty.

This directly reminds of the May Day demonstration in Kiev, held shortly after the accident at Chernobyl NPP.

This is a display of criminal irresponsibility of politicians and complete indifference towards the people.

Let me cite one example. On October 20 the epidemic of flu was declared in Ternopil with schools and kindergartens closed for quarantine. "From October 21 secondary and primary schools are closed due to the growing rate of flu and ARD sickness”. This was the order of local authorities.

As of October 20 the rate of ARD in Ternopil was 172.9 cases per 10 thousand people with epidemiological threshold for the city being 160 patients per 10 thousand people. In other words - all services of the country responsible for monitoring the figure were informed and knew about the situation.

However, not a single Sanitary Inspector has banned either the movement of people, nor their gathering, including those in Kiev on October 24, when people have gathered at the central square.

I would like to remind you, my dear, that on October 24, 2009 10 deaths were known to have occurred in Ternopil region itself and 6 deaths were reported in Lviv region. And in 7 days after the abovementioned gathering Kyiv turned out in the situation, when the rate of sickness demanded the announcement of flu epidemic. This is the behavior of the great politicians. The neglect of elementary means of prevention of a disease in any country in the world, by any society. Because they must conduct a show, they have concerts, because they were paid for and 130 million have already been spent.

In that, dear Ukrainians, I see not only moral but also criminal liability.

I have addressed the Prosecutor General of Ukraine with the request to institute criminal charges of negligence committed by first of all the Chief Sanitary Inspector, Kyiv City Sanitarian and the officials, who, despite having daily information on the epidemic situation in the country, neglected it in pursuit of political dividends and ambition.

Now, the only principle of organizing preventive measures at the national scale should be as follows:

We treat the West and defend East, Center, North and South of Ukraine amain.

I now rely solely on the professionalism of our doctors. Today they are the true heroes of our nation.

I once again demand the Government to comply with the order the National Security and Defense Council to resolve the issue of wages for our doctors in this difficult period for the country.

The fifth factor.

Dear fellow citizens, the key threat that is aggravating the situation is chaos in the system of healthcare and protection of lives of people.

Today we must recognize that Ukraine does not have a single healthcare system. Prevention of any infection, including through vaccination, the localization and overcoming the consequences of epidemics is the responsibility of the State Sanitary-Epidemiological Service of Ukraine.

The Service is headed by the Chief Sanitary Inspector. He is appointed by the Prime Minister.

The current Constitution after alterations in 2004 makes the Government solely responsible for conducting state healthcare policy.

The practice of using the power, as evident today, is a failure.

To the executive power, which is not subordinate to the President, I have suggested the holistic healthcare reforms plan and a set of instructions and recommendations that would help create the optimal model of the system for years to come. My remarks were presented as the groundless interference in Government’s work and as the unfounded criticism.

Back in April of 2009 I addressed the Government with the request to establish a special interdepartmental commission on fighting the spread of flu viruses, to finance the establishment of Flu Center and to take all measures to protect the country against flu. That included providing adequate availability of medicines, facemasks and all other necessaries.

Partial implementation of the instructions has its consequences.

They were not ignoring me – they were ignoring the people, the citizens. It is clear why. Because Ukraine still has unfair system of healthcare - one is for the power, the other is for the people.

We must change the system. We must change the entire system of government in Ukraine.

But now, in this moment there is no time for waiting or remonstrance.
National Security and Defense Council should become the center of decision-making.

Failure to comply with its orders will immediately result in application to the law enforcement authorities.

I remind all the responsible persons and draw attention to all of my orders, made in Lviv four days ago. In three days the deadline for compliance with these orders expires.

With my decree I put Minister of Health and Chief Sanitary Inspector of Ukraine into the Council for National Security and Defense.

I am conscious of my responsibility.

I express deep condolences to the families and relatives of those who have died.

I express my deep appreciation to doctors, who are saving our people risking their own lives. I am moved by this sacrifice. Such a commitment means that the epidemic will be stopped.

I appeal to all of you, dear fellow citizens, to show solidarity, mutual support, and strictly adhere to all the safety regulations regarding protection of your health and lives.

For not a single moment you will be left alone by the state.

Thank you for your attention.

[eXpat]

Swine Flu? Typhus? Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever? Pneumonic Plague?

Panic Explodes As A Mystery Illness Rips Through Ukraine
Tonight the nation of Ukraine is in an absolute state of panic as a mystery illness rips through that country. Some reports are claiming that this mystery illness is a more virulent form of the H1N1 swine flu. Other reports are linking the mystery illness with typhus, ebola hemorrhagic fever or even the pneumonic plague. What all the media reports do agree on is that an epidemic is devastating Ukraine tonight and that a wave of panic is sweeping over that nation.

The following is a list of many of the most recent reports that we have received regarding this outbreak. Hopefully there will be additional reports that will clarify the situation in Ukraine over the next 24 hours.....

*One report says that this mystery illness begins as an ordinary bout of the flu, but after a week the symptoms get far worse. The report says that approximately 40,000 Ukrainians have contracted the disease and that about 30 people there have died of it so far.

*Ukraine Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko has ordered schools and cinemas closed and has banned public gatherings for three weeks to contain the spread of the mystery virus amid growing panic over several dozen unexplained deaths in the western areas of the country.

*The Kyiv Post is reporting that Ukraine’s Health Ministry has not yet determined whether the recent deaths are related to the H1N1 swine flu virus, but they have admitted to sending more than 1,200 doses of Tamiflu to western Ukraine.

*The World Health Organization has announced that it is sending a team of experts to the Ukraine to investigate reports of severe H1N1 disease there.

*Recombinomics is reporting that four doctors have died of the flu in Ukraine's Ternopol and Lvov regions.

*There is a report that the temperature inside of the lungs of those dying from this illness reached up to 55 degrees Celsius (over 130 degrees Fahrenheit). In other words, their lungs virtually melted and filled with blood.

http://thebirdflupandemic.com/archives/swine-flu-typhus-ebola-hemorrhagic-fever-pneumonic-plague-panic-explodes-as-a-mystery-illness-rips-through-ukraine

[eXpat]

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbkT-AhDNRE&feature=player_embedded

[cipi604]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/martial-law ... demic.html

[mos6507]

Prison planet link. How useful, not.

[cipi604]

Prison planet link. How useful, not.

lol , it was on top of the news on google search , and the rest of the news were too boring
i din't say that is true or false.

[jbrovont]

There was a site keeping fairly up to date news on this, but about 48 hours ago it started getting very laggy and now it's just dissapeared from the internet: avianflutalk.com. (notice I'm not posting a link or saying go here - it's aparently out of service now.

I've been reading the site regularly for over a year without any problems, but within a few hours of it posting the Baxter story (along with a lot of supporting links/arguments) it was toast. Could be coincidence - I'm not much one for full tin-foil theories, but it's just kinda weird.

Prison planet link. How useful, not.

lol , it was on top of the news on google search , and the rest of the news were too boring
i din't say that is true or false.