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Sun setting on US empire
Leading US economist Laurence Kotlikoff says he remains optimistic about solving the big structural problems plaguing global finance, but he has a grim prognosis for the US if it doesn’t change fiscal and monetary policies.
“We’re heading the way the British Empire went, its inevitable” he says. “The [US] dollar is going to give way to the Yuan as the global currency at some point, its just a matter of time.”
Kotlikoff is a Professor of Economics at Boston University and will be in New Zealand next week as the Sir Douglas Myers Visiting Professor to Auckland University.
He was named by The Economist as one of the world’s 25 most influential economists and in 2016 and that year he ran for the US Presidency as a write-in candidate.
He’s also a New York Times best-selling author.
While he has a strong reputation his ideas definitely sit outside the mainstream political views in the US.
“The global population is absolutely exploding, we’re adding a China in the next 20 years and then until the end of the century we’re adding three China’s in terms of population,” he says. “And most of that population is going to be concentrated in sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East.”
Kotlikoff argues that if we see productivity move up towards US levels in these regions – as we have seen in China in the past few decades – then we will see them dwarf the US economy by the end of the century.
“The biggest economies by the end of the century would be sub-Saharan Africa, followed by the India, followed by the Middle East, followed by China,” he says. “The US would go from about 15 per cent of GDP down to about five per cent.”
Exacerbating US woes is the fact it the country is effectively broke and is pushing the day of reckoning on that on to future generations by running enormous fiscal deficits, Kotlikoff argues.
He is no fan of President Trump’s new tax reforms, but in the broader context of America’s multi-trillion dollar deficits he doesn’t think they will make much difference.
“Each president is kicking the ball here and nobody is facing the reality of what’s coming. It’s going to end very badly for older people and younger people.”
It will become increasing difficult for the US to maintain its dominant global position and be “the policeman of the world, he says.
“I think the US is going to be forced to take a back seat. And we may not take that very well.”
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Kotlikoff says the only way to address the deficits will be to raise real revenue – which will mean astronomical tax rates if the US stays on its current path.
“It’s another way of saying that the country is broke.”
Kotlikoff suggests “the power economics to solve future problems” as a headline for this article.
It’s a line that hints at an underlying sense of hope that more serious financial and economic reforms will be embraced eventually.
Since the global financial crisis he has been a strong advocate for more radical reform of the global financial system and wants to see it move away from highly leveraged lending which he sees perpetuating a cycle of boom and busts.
“We have to move away from this highly leveraged banking system, which is also highly opaque, to something which has no leverage.”
We were seeing central banks repeat low interest rate policies as they did prior to 2007, pushing up house prices and creating potential for a big crash.
“We can see some of the elements,” he said.
Kotlikoff advocates mutual fund banking, or what he calls “limited purpose banking”.
“It’s 100 per cent equity, mutual fund financed banking. So the entire finance system would just run through mutual funds.”
Most Americans are already doing most their banking with mutual funds, through their retirement accounts, he says.
While he accepts that the big banks wouldn’t like it, he argues that with the right regulation it would remove risk from the system and ensure that financial institutions couldn’t fail.
In the current system the global economy is constantly swinging “from irrational exuberance to irrational pessimism,” he says.
“It’s kind of like a bi-polar person There’s no inherent reason for an economy to have anything but steady growth. Technology is getting better all the time and we have more people in the. Inherently the world economy should grow. And it should grow smoothly.”
Professor Kotlikoff will present a seminar “Our Global Economic Future and How to Fix It” at Auckland University Business School next Tuesday at 2pm. For more information, please contact Professor Robert MacCulloch [email protected].
59 Comments on "Sun setting on US empire"
Davy on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 2:32 pm
“The biggest economies by the end of the century would be sub-Saharan Africa”
What a joke from a star of the pseudoscience of economics. This guy actually believes first the economy will make it to the end of the century then that population is the key to the size of that economy????
MASTERMIND on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 2:38 pm
‘WORSE THAN 2007’: Top Central Banker warns of looming wave of worldwide bankruptcies
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/davos/12108569/World-faces-wave-of-epic-debt-defaults-fears-central-bank-veteran.html
‘Perfect storm’: Global financial system showing danger signs, says senior OECD economist
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/the-economy/perfect-storm-global-financial-system-showing-danger-signs-says-senior-oecd-economist-20180123-p4yyr2.html
A Nation of Broke People Are Killing Retail More Than Amazon: Top Expert
https://www.thestreet.com/story/14277483/1/a-nation-of-broke-people-are-killing-retail-more-than-amazon-peter-schiff-says.html
Our Broken Economy, in One Simple Chart
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/07/opinion/leonhardt-income-inequality.html?smid=fb-share
US companies spent $4T buying back their own stock since 08
https://nypost.com/2017/08/19/us-companies-spent-4t-buying-back-their-own-stock/
Financial markets at risk from bubble, IMF warns
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/01/15/financial-markets-risk-bubble-imf-warns/
Global economy set for decade of gloom as
World Bank predicts recovery will fizzle out
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/01/09/global-economy-set-decade-gloom-world-bank-predicts-recovery/
US economic growth is all an illusion
https://nypost.com/2014/11/06/us-economic-growth-is-all-an-illusion/
Global Debt Hits Record $233 Trillion
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-05/global-debt-hits-record-233-trillion-but-debt-to-gdp-is-falling
Cloggie on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 3:21 pm
Doomer Kotlikof is regular guest of Missouri doomer Greg Hunter. Here is a tribal member whose judgment is not clouded by fanaticism.
https://usawatchdog.com/?s=kotlikof
MASTERMIND on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 3:58 pm
Clogg
You need a girlfriend really bad! Don’t you get tired of being a loser?
MASTERMIND on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 4:11 pm
Clogg
Stop being a bigot and calling others names that you disagree with… There are no such thing as doomers only humans…Your Ad Hom attacks are getting old!
Go Speed Racer on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 4:57 pm
This article is really dumb.
Knew it the moment they said that
a bunch of starving spear-chuckers in
Africa,
roasting their last rat, over a
Zebra poop fire, is now suddenly a
better economy than the USA.
OK. Besides Trump is making America
Great Again. They are setting up
drive-in movie lots, where you hang the
speaker onto your car window.
And Hamburger drive ins are being
rapidly built. The Africans don’t stand
a chance.
Mad Kat on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 4:58 pm
While I agree that the US empire is over, I disagree with the author’s assertion that it can continue to grow, “if only”. It already consumes/wastes ~25% of the world’s resources and they are going away. Tech is not the answer. Tech is too little, too late and usually causes more damage than it repairs.
The US is going down. And it will not stop until it is at least level with the rest of the world. The Great Leveling I see happening, by design, not fate. Americans who do not seriously downsize and prepare will be in a world of hurt soon.
Davy on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 5:05 pm
“The Great Leveling I see happening”
Sure Billy, check your glasses. You have been saying this now going on 6 years. Besides, your little phrase is getting worn out. You have a tendency to run things into the ground.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 5:14 pm
Madkat sees the collapse happening by design? WTF? Why does this site attract all the idiot conspiracy loons?
Mad Kat on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 5:14 pm
“… after 70 years of global dominion, America’s geopolitical command of the axial ends of Eurasia — the central pillars of its world power— seems to be crumbling in a matter of months….
In the emerging field of artificial intelligence that will soon drive space warfare and cyber-warfare, the White House wants to reduce the 2018 budget for this critical research at the National Science Foundation to a paltry $175 million, even as Beijing is launching “a new multi-billion-dollar initiative” linked to building “military robots.” …”
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-demolition-of-u-s-global-power-the-accelerated-collapse-of-american-global-hegemony/5600078
The empire is dying from a million self-inflicted cuts. Suicide by any other name, and the serfs have no ides. Bread and circus 24/7/365. Dumbed down to slave level by a deliberately failing education system and huge debt. A 3rd world country behind the curtain.
Davy on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 5:16 pm
globalresearch is for nutters
Anonymouse1 on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 5:23 pm
Nutters eh? Well, if anyone here knows anything at all about nutters, it’d be you.
Dumbass.
Davy on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 5:29 pm
mousie1 is a nutter that should work for global research. Both are Canadian of course. With friends like our neighbors to the North who needs enemies.
Mad Kat on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 6:35 pm
94 to 86: US slide in freedom. Three points since Trump. The speed is increasing.
http://2oqz471sa19h3vbwa53m33yj.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/freedom-index.jpg
Slip slidin’ to the 3rd world…
MASTERMIND on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 6:39 pm
Madkat here are three peer reviewed reasons why you will be just as fucked as America in the next decade!
NASA Peer Reviewed Study: Industrial Civilization is Headed for Irreversible Collapse (Motesharrei, 2014)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800914000615
The Royal Society: Peer Reviewed Study, Now for the First Time A Global Collapse Appears Likely (Ehrlich, 2013)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3574335/
Peer Reviewed Study: Limits to Growth was Right. Research Shows We’re Nearing Global Collapse (Turner, 2014)
http://sustainable.unimelb.edu.au/sites/default/files/docs/MSSI-ResearchPaper-4_Turner_2014.pdf
deadly on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 7:40 pm
The US needs another string of Pyrrhic victories all at a cost of more than and not less than ten trillion dollars.
It will make America great all over again.
Not again!
Wasn’t America great before all of these wars all of the time for years on end?
Dr. Strangelove is in command and control, so be prepared for doom.
Nothing to worry about, everything is under control. Go home, get back to your mother’s basement and stay there. Shelter in place. Wait for further notice.
“From the womb to the tomb, Madam Speaker, the Internal Rectal Service is one big enema. Think about it: They tax our income, they tax our savings, they tax our sex, they tax our property sales profits, they even tax our income when we die. Is it any wonder America is taxed off? We happen to be suffering from a disease called Taxes Mortis Americanus. Beam me up!” – Jim Traficant
http://www.ibtimes.com/james-traficants-best-quotes-beam-me-riot-prison-video-1695935
GregT on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 9:27 pm
“mousie1 is a nutter that should work for global research. Both are Canadian of course. With friends like our neighbors to the North who needs enemies.”
Without a doubt, you would be the board nutbar Davy, and working for global research would be a compliment. The most prolific and highly accredited author would be Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, a far better American than you could ever dream of being.
GregT on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 9:40 pm
“NASA Peer Reviewed Study: Industrial Civilization is Headed for Irreversible Collapse (Motesharrei, 2014)”
“Collapse can be avoided, and population can reach a steady state at maximum carrying capacity if the rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a sustainable level and if resources are distributed equitably.”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800914000615
“The Royal Society: Peer Reviewed Study, Now for the First Time A Global Collapse Appears Likely (Ehrlich, 2013)”
7. Conclusions
“Do we think global society can avoid a collapse in this century? The answer is yes, because modern society has shown some capacity to deal with long-term threats, at least if they are obvious or continuously brought to attention (think of the risks of nuclear conflict).”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3574335/
“Peer Reviewed Study: Limits to Growth was Right. Research Shows We’re Nearing Global Collapse (Turner, 2014)”
“This suggests, from a rational risk- based perspective, that we have squandered the past decades, and that preparing for a collapsing global system could be even more important than trying to avoid collapse.”
http://sustainable.unimelb.edu.au/sites/default/files/docs/MSSI-ResearchPaper-4_Turner_2014.pdf
Finally MM, you’ve linked to a paper that I can agree with. Economic collapse, IMO, is likely to happen around 2025, give or take a few years. Anybody with any wherewithal should be preparing for it. Running around like a chicken with his head cut off, isn’t going to do you the least bit of good.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 10:24 pm
Greg
“Collapse can be avoided, and population can reach a steady state at maximum carrying capacity if the rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a sustainable level and if resources are distributed equitably.”
Who really believes that is going to happen?
MASTERMIND on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 10:25 pm
Greg
I agree I think economic collapse will happen around that time as well. I hope it takes longer of course but I am not holding my breathe.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 10:28 pm
Greg
“The Royal Society: Peer Reviewed Study, Now for the First Time A Global Collapse Appears Likely (Ehrlich, 2013)”
7. Conclusions
“Do we think global society can avoid a collapse in this century? The answer is yes, because modern society has shown some capacity to deal with long-term threats, at least if they are obvious or continuously brought to attention (think of the risks of nuclear conflict).”
Too bad overpopulation is the biggest taboo subject in the world and will never be talked about brought to the attention of the public.
Theedrich on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 10:47 pm
Kotlikoff: another clueless, money-only econonut. Finance alone matters. This “Leading US economist” opines that “The biggest economies by the end of the century would be sub-Saharan Africa, followed by the India, followed by the Middle East, followed by China, …” It never occurs to this armchairist that: (1.) Intelligence plays an overwhelming role in developing an economy. (Note that microstate North Korea now poses a danger — i.e., is existentially equivalent — to the U.S., whereas the vast tracts of 70-IQ sub-Sahara produce nothing but sob stories.) (2.) Allahland will export only Sand Negroes after its oil gives out. (3.) Civilizational dysgenics is furthered by anti-White governments in genosuicidal Whitelands (e.g., the psychotic Bundeskanzlerin Angela Merkel). (4.) Retro-evolution due to Yid-Cretinity will produce a Planet of the Apes, with all that that implies for civilization.
Blather on, o Heeb driveler.
MASTERMIND on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 10:51 pm
Thedrich
Technically humans are apes so we already have a planet of the apes.
GregT on Sun, 11th Feb 2018 11:34 pm
“Too bad overpopulation is the biggest taboo subject in the world and will never be talked about brought to the attention of the public.”
Agreed. Move as far away from densely populated areas as you can. With 80 million more humans added to the biosphere each and every year, everywhere is going to become more populated.
And in case you haven’t already clued in, that would be the entire population of the US in ~ four years.
It’s not exactly rocket science dude.
GregT on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 12:03 am
Two more things MM,
1: Whether you agree with him or not, Theedrich is obviously the most intelligent poster on this forum.
2: Densely populated areas that know nothing other than the drive to work, shop, consume lifestyles, are really going to be fucked.
Cloggie on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 12:16 am
As usual I agree with Threedrich. To the defense of Kotlikof: here is finally a Heeb who at least considers the possibility that his tax farm could in fact bite the dust. It’s a start as compared to Carl Bernstein’s “Jewish Neocons” (“and perhaps I can say that because I am a Jew”)…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRlatDWqh0o
That’s the same Bernstein who brought down Nixon after the latter had conspired with Billy Graham to “do something about the Jews” after his reelection:
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/17/us/billy-graham-responds-to-lingering-anger-over-1972-remarks-on-jews.html
Ah well, in contrast to JFK, they didn’t shoot Nixon.
The idea that Sub-Saharan Africa could take over the world’s economy is ridiculous. Kotlikof remains a Heeb, hence a Marxist, although it is unlikely he believes his own bullshit, he’s too smart for that; his remarks are intended for the egalitarian likes of Davy and boat, who love to swallow these nonsense, as they swallowed all the nonsense coming from Washington over the last 100 years.
But Kotlikof fits in the growing number of koshers, like Kunstler, Bernstein, Bloomberg, who all show signs that they realize that the US-led NWO is walking on its last legs and that the US is about to be downsized to become a normal country and everybody outside the US with a brain knows it and is preparing for it… from China to Russia, Philippines, Iran, Turkey, EU, etc., etc., etc., not too mention even some within the US itself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrm_JAnVKzI
(American style fascism 2.0 on the march, this time with howling guitars and drums rather than trumpets)
The downfall of the US empire will have enormous repercussions for geopolitics as the post-WW2 order will evaporate and replaced by a multi-polar world order…
http://tinyurl.com/y8ydx6a9
…not based on 20th century kosher-derived progressive ideologies (USA-multicult/USSR-bolshevism), but on a reactionary looking back to ancient times and millennia old identities and belief systems.
Summing it up: IS beating Leon Trotsky.
It is only in the US itself that many would still love to believe in MAGA-dreams. Quite an “exceptionalist” belief for a country that below 10 years old no longer is a majority white country and as such won’t be able to continue to live up to first world standards:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/07/detroit-illiteracy-nearly-half-education_n_858307.html
Davy on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 5:06 am
“Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, a far better American than you could ever dream of being.”
PCR, occasionally says something worthwhile of course for you greegie he must be a saint. You have to love that hard hitting anti-Americanism. He can say something unlike you that is stuck in the anal stage of stalking and pricking. As for a far better American, WTF, you are a dumbass west Coast Canadian that hasn’t a clue about the real America. You are a stuck on myself Canadian who thinks a few million in BC are the center of the intellectual world. You people represent the worst of what the world is today. American type people who hate Americans because that is how you find meaning.
Davy on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 5:11 am
“1: Whether you agree with him or not, Theedrich is obviously the most intelligent poster on this forum.”
Well coming from a closet Nazi anti-American I can understand that. Someone who thinks he is one of the most intelligent and respectable but is really at a loss of words and disgusting I can understand the empty comparisons. Greggie, thee might be intelligent but there is more to intelligence and obviously you don’t get that nor does Thee. Hence you comment. As a matter of fact the above comment shows just how lost you are about life.
Davy on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 5:19 am
“egalitarian likes of Davy”
Yes I am very much an egalitarian on one level but on another level there are disgusting examples of humans like you, billyT, and greggie that are really subhuman people. Closet Nazi victimization whining people like you three (throw in the little mouse1 too) are disgusting and why a devote time to neutering the vomit. You three represent many of the reasons the world is on the path of self-destruction. You nedernazi, are not about the truth you are about you and your selfish victory. You are a narcissistic pig who thinks your whiteness makes you special. You change the truth to support this. You profess a future that is fantasy. You are disgusting.
MASTERMIND on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 7:29 am
Greg
I ain’t going nowhere. I plan on going out with my people and family!
MASTERMIND on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 7:32 am
Dr Paul Craig Roberts is a senile old man! Just look at that picture of him on his blog! Nuff said!
makati1 on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 8:13 am
“It takes about 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many (or few)? Simple: this is the minimum number of years needed to ‘educate’ ONE GENERATION of students in a target country (America, for example) and expose them to the ideology of the subverter. It is imperative that any sufficient challenge and counter-balance by the basic moral values and ideology of this country be eliminated.”
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2018/02/12/red-october-in-washington-in-2017/#more-170466
“According to Bezmenov it may take only six weeks to bring a country to the verge of crisis ( as we saw it in Central America in the 1970s) and – after the crisis – the violent change of power, structure and economy, the period of normalization begins, which will usher in a new regime.”
Slip slidin’….
Davy on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 8:25 am
billy, what is the deal with your avatar identifier? Mad kat not feel right? It fits you though. A mad old man in more ways than one. I see your word bag is lame. How many times have you said Slip slidin?
MASTERMIND on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 8:30 am
Madkat spreading more fake news! Theburningplatoform? That guy is a retard!
Cloggie on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 9:37 am
Closet Nazi victimization whining people like you three (throw in the little mouse1 too)
Davy, could give us a simple workable definition of what a “nazi” really is in 2018, other than the smear word of choice for aging furious goat shepherds, now that you have begun to even accuse our anonymouse1 as one.
Thanks in advance.
Cloggie on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 9:41 am
https://www.pyeongchang2018.com/en/game-time/results/OWG2018/en/general/medal-standings.htm
OMG, tell me this isn’t happening, the Natzis are taking over! ROFL
Davy on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 9:51 am
nedernazi, use your imagination.
Cloggie on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 10:13 am
Another empty evasive response from the commie thug. That’s why Davy doesn’t want to discuss history, because he knows he gets his ass kicked. Davy prefers to continue to use the old empire smears as a sniper.
Doesn’t matter, Davy is on the losing side of history and he knows it. It is going to be a long drawn out process of decline and misery, the same misery his ilk has inflicted on the rest of the world for a century. Enjoy your downfall. Your smears mean nothing.
Davy on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 10:28 am
Blah blah, nedernazi, I have bigger fish to fry than engaging in your victimization whining supported by revisionist lies and a fantasy future of unreality. You are the empty one and you are a living breathing failure. I think this is why you are so concern with winning and that is because of all the failure in your life and your society.
MASTERMIND on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 10:34 am
The only chance we have towards preventing our collapse is to create a one world government..And to redistribute the wealth across the entire planet..And to put in strict population and resource use controls.
And how many people believe that’s ever going to happen?
GregT on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 12:57 pm
“American type people who hate Americans because that is how you find meaning.”
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts is an American. His American credentials are impeccable. A great man, IMO.
You would be the one hating yet another American, simply because he says things that you don’t like to hear.
GregT on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 1:16 pm
“Blah blah, nedernazi, I have bigger fish to fry than engaging in your victimization whining supported by revisionist lies and a fantasy future of unreality. You are the empty one and you are a living breathing failure. I think this is why you are so concern with winning and that is because of all the failure in your life and your society.”
Translation:
Good morning Cloggie, Sir,
I am unable to formulate a coherent argument in defence of my position, therefore I concede. You win again.
I am, however, extremely upset about the prospects of any other nation rising up out of the ashes of the dying empire that I so stubbornly cling to. Therefore,I will continue with the name calling, childish rhetoric, and delusional accusations, because that is the only way that I can cope.
My most sincere apologies, Davy.
Cloggie on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 1:38 pm
LOL
MASTERMIND on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 2:09 pm
Greg
Paul Roberts is a crazy person. Just look at the picture of his mug on his blog! Nuff said!
Davy on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 2:39 pm
Wow, greggie, I bet you are proud as a peacock you got to stalk, prick and enable. It doesn’t matter that you are a closet Nazi white supremest rabid anti-American just like nederNazi. For you the act of anti-American stalking, pricking and enabling gets you all flushed with satisfaction. Greggie, what matters though is can you say anything. Any asshole like you can stalk, prick, and enable but showing intelligence is another story. I don’t see anything out of you. I am impressed with the nedernazi when he is not being a disgusting person he does contribute. You don’t and what’s worse is you are an asshole that enables assholes. This makes you antii-intelligence.
Cloggie on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 3:01 pm
“what matters though is can you say anything.”
Can you make any positive statement about WW2?
Asking the question is answering it.
MASTERMIND on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 3:03 pm
Davy
Greg is a prepper and most preppers are fundamentalist religious nutters! Did you see him yesterday freaking out screaming “Get the hell out of the cities”…lol
Cloggie on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 3:06 pm
Davy is a prepper, makati is, ghung is and to a limited extent #metoo.
There is no relationship between prepperism and religeous fundamentalism.
Wrong again.
Harquebus on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 3:30 pm
China is an economic basket case waiting for the bottom to fall out.
Kotlikoff, like most economists, does not have a proper grasp of reality. Politicians take their advice only because, it supports their delusions of perpetual growth.
MASTERMIND on Mon, 12th Feb 2018 3:42 pm
Clogg
You think preppers are liberals? LOL Liberals are intelligent enough to know if society collapses and there is no rule of law.Your fucked!