sparky wrote:If you consider the holocaust as 6 millions Jews gassed , Well that's debatable
Progressivism is the specifically American development of liberal populism that seeks social and economic justice above all else, most specifically with reference to the obstacles posed to social and economic justice by large corporations and banks. Though Progressives strongly support civil liberties, the "progress" in Progressivism lies, most fundamentally, with ensuring, as the American pledge to the flag puts it, "justice for all".
PrestonSturges wrote:Kaiser Jeep, you and I have been down this road several times - your most dear beliefs are right out of Mein Kampf. "Liberals Fascism" and Glenn Beck are Mein Kampf for people in trailer parks with basic cable. Nazism was for extremely conservative white rural Christian antisemites, and Germany had millions of them.
a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
Robert A. Heinlein
social and economic justice by large corporations and banks
Supporters of the South African apartheid regime gave similar reasons. Were you a Nelson Mandala fan back then?KaiserJeep wrote:But the State of Israel is a shining beacon of hope, a representative Democracy that has the highest standard of living in the entire Middle East - and attracts the envy of the states around it and the specific hatred of Muslim leaders who fear the spread of Democracy.
Lore wrote:Yes, both large and small businesses have a responsibility to social justice and well being as long as they operate within the system and use the benifits provided by it.
ennui2 wrote:This thread is really showing people's true colors.
KJ, do you have anything better to do than to slander liberals at around the same intellectual level of a right-wing AM talk show host?
KaiserJeep wrote:ennui2, it simply should not be news to you that Democrat does not equal Liberal and Republican does not equal Conservative.
KaiserJeep wrote:"YOU didn't build that."
With infinite shrewdness he (the Jew) fans the need for social justice, somehow slumbering in every Aryan man, into hatred against those who have been better favored by fortune, ..... (note the GOP theme of "envy" there also) (Mein Kampf p349)
hvacman wrote:Thanks for the link to Glenn Beck's take on the "justice" question. It certainly sounded Beck-ish. Didn't answer my question, though.
Hitler's quote from Mein Kampf was illuminating, in that it shows just how rhetorically-slippery the phrase "social justice" can be.
Still waiting for someone to just tell me what social and economic justice means in their own words. and...if they were "king or queen"..., what they would tell me I have to do to change my business practices to be more just.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
ennui2 wrote:
Then why are you spending all your time excoriating democrats?
ennui2 wrote:OK. Let's see how "outside of the box" you can think along these lines...
Who "builds" anything?
We know you are incapable of understanding ecological thinking. So consider this example.
T Boone Pickens is a fossil fuel tycoon. Did he really build anything or did he extract what was already there? He is now a LinkedIn Influencer and can tell us all how his success story is one of his own personal Ayn Randian virtues. It's not. He became rich by exploiting natural resources.
If you strip back the source of wealth, usually, at its base, is the extraction of natural resources. You just have to look back far enough. So there is no such thing as building other than via mother nature.
ennui2 wrote:And consider (which I know you won't) that extraction and consumption is a one-way street. Then you'll see that the American myth of expansion and upward mobility is ultimately a zero-sum game by virtue of the drawdown of natural resources of all kinds. You seem to "get" that as far as the fossil fuel goes, but not overall carrying-capacity.
And so can you really cling to some libertarian ideal of small government? How exactly is that "sustainable"? It's not. You have a vestige of whatever ideology you had before becoming a peaker which doesn't really make sense outside of cognitive dissonance.
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