by grabby » Wed 17 May 2006, 05:17:45
Here is something that helps people understand the big picture.
taking a 50 gallon drum of biodiesel and manufactureing enough for Amrica is 5 orders of magnitude. this is not something anyone can understand so drawing a parallel sometimes helps.
Now here are the numbers:
There are 55 oil palm estates in Malaysia, Palm oil being the richest fuel producer per acre i the world of any biocrop, better than ethanol even.
Acres totalling 104,749 hectares and let us take a certain area of high productivity.
14 palm palm oil mills are needed to process the palm oil from these hectares..
This is an example of how we will try to save the world.
with the bulk of the palm oil estates located in PRIME Palm oil growing property where it rains. - Peninsular Malaysia
Now to evaluate:
while three oil palm estates totalling 4,498 hectares (10,000 acres)are in Sabah. Malaysia. Production is 11 tonnes Palm oil per hectare. Which is very good ok? Lets multiply this prime biofuel estate and see how many we will need to save America.
346,346 Barrels per year over 4,498 hectares (10,000 acres )for three plantations and three processing plants.
THIS IS A FACT AND AS GOOD AS IT GETS THERE IS NO ARGUMENT ABOUT THIS.
Multply this by three to get:
1 million barrels per YEAR over 30,000 acres for 30 processing plants, and 30 plantations. This is 2,700 Barrels per day.
Multily these by ten:
for 27,000 barrels per day we need 300,000 Acres and 300 processing plants and 300 plantations.
Multiply these by ten:
for 270,000 barrels per day we need 3,000,000 Acres and 3000 processing plants and 3000 plantaions
Multiply these by ten:
for 2,700,000 Barrels per day we need 30,000,000 Acres and 30,000 processing plants and 30,000 plantations.
Multiply these by ten:
for 27,000,000 Barrels per day (ENOUGH TO SAVE AMRICA!)
We use 21,000,000 (MILLION) barrels per day, we sustain some loss in palm oil to convert so lets call it good.
We need 300,000,000 MILLION Primo rainforest farmable acres in a tropical rain zone (not in the hills either),
and 300,000 Processing plants and 300,000 plantations.
You think we can build 300,000 processing plants in ten years to save America?
I don't.
You think we can kick everyone off their property in the tropics and grab 300,000,000 PRIME FARMABLE ACRES FROM THEM FREE?
I don't
Okl lets save the world now
Multiply by three.:
To save the world we need 100,000,000 barrels per day and 3 BILLION ACRES of PRIME TROPICAL FLAT FARMLAND in a TROPICAL RAINFOREST CLIMATE, and 3 MILLION processing plants and 3 MILLION PLANTATIONS.
This is what it would take to SUSTAIN OUR LIFESTYLE.
Ok it is not doable, with the best biological crop in the world situated in the best Biological climate in the world.
Not a chance. No way no how.
But that isn't the WORST OF IT!
WE CAN'T EVEN PRODUCE ENOUGH BIOFUEL TO MAKE UP OUR YEARLY INCREASE IN FUEL CONSUMPTIONS!
How much BIOPALMDIESEL will we need to overcome our Amricas INCREASED needs from this year to next year?
In other words, we want to HOLD our IMPORTING of fuel to what it is today, and supply any INCREASING needs with Biopamlmdiesel?
we would need to build 30,000 plantations a year just to supply our INCREASED NEEDS over the next two years.
You do not understand the numbers if youn think biofuels will make anny appreciable difference much less help us get off foreign oils.
BIOFUELS CANT EVEN KEEP UP!
Biofuels SOUNDS good but is a waste of time.
It will not stop the crash, it will jsut make a few local people have biodiesel.
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So it will be clear why you should just stop worrying about any Bio saving factor. It is miniscule and useless. Ethanols numbers are WORSE THAN THIS!
Much much worse.
to supply all the ethanol for the world you would have to have
4 billion bushel baskets of fresh cut lawn clippings a DAY!
that is 200,BILLION POUNDS A DAY.
1,700 Trains of max load.
stack them up they reach 127 million miles
a DAY
they go around the world 24 times if you stack them side by side.
biofuels cannot make any SIGNIFICANT CHANGE
No, we could not all just have our local biofuel plant and survive. we dont have enough energy to make the ethanol and to process the copra.
R.I.P. BIOFUELS.
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