Doly wrote:I don't know about WWI origins other than they were weird, but for the US, you want to claim that Japan attacking Pearl Harbor was because the Brits convinced them to? And then Winston flew to Berlin and convinced the little mustache dude to declare war against the US?
No, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor because the opportunity existed, and the opportunity existed because the US left it deliberately open.
So...because America was lazy and not paying attention, it was the perfect excuse for Japan to attack? That might be haklfway believable, but Churchhill being involved in somehow convincing the little mustached guy to declare war within a day or two to help out...Winston?
Doly wrote:The US needed some sort of valid excuse to get into WWII, after British propaganda was effective enough to convince enough people that it had to happen.
History isn't in dispute, your claim of how it works apparently is. British propaganda didn't cause the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor, Yamamoto's understanding of potential interference by the American Pacific Fleet and their presence in the Phillipines when Japan decided to grab Papa New Guinea and Indonesia was the problem.
That led to the attack on Pearl, and in that instant, gave Roosevelt exactly what he wanted. I'm not saying he wasn't sympathetic to the European issue, but he had sat on his ass for years, and was trying to get involved, and it just wasn't working politically. Japan cured that problem for him one day, and the little mustached dude just made it childs play to get what he had wanted, and couldn't get, all along.
Lobbying for help by folks like Winston didn't cause anything. Actions by others did, and handed Roosevelt what he needed to unite a country, and helping out his friend in Europe was just one of those things.
Doly wrote:The US might have been looking for an excuse...
...and couldn't get any to work across years....
Doly wrote:So the US government convinced itself that there were good enough reasons to get involved in the Asian mess, in full knowledge that Britain would also be involved in it and that the Axis powers would very likely take the side of Japan, on the grounds that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Which they promptly did.
The US was in the Phillipines since 1898. You want to pretend a strategic thing going on since 1898 was propaganda, or that the Japanese needed it gone to get what they wanted? Which they then did, and it wasn't because Churchill had anything to do with that military strategic balance in Asia. Other than they were in the mix, because they owned some of those properties that the Japanese needed as well.
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