Newfie wrote:Yes, specific wording is needed.
But I think the concept is more than sound, is necessary.
WHY there is not more of a grass roots movement is disheartening.
evilgenius wrote:Newfie wrote:Evil,
No one mentioned Trump.
If you want to start a thread comparing the two crooks be my guest. But it is hard to see what relevance it has here.
If you want I can seed a new thread with some of the above posts.
Not trying to shut down the conversation. Just move it if it is going to continue.
Thankyou for understanding.
Pops wrote:If I was king I would make voting mandatory...
Outcast_Searcher wrote:evilgenius wrote:Newfie wrote:Evil,
No one mentioned Trump.
If you want to start a thread comparing the two crooks be my guest. But it is hard to see what relevance it has here.
If you want I can seed a new thread with some of the above posts.
Not trying to shut down the conversation. Just move it if it is going to continue.
Thankyou for understanding.
Isn't the title of this thread "TrumpClinton Mash UP"?
So why wouldn't it be natural for someone to think of both Trump and Clinton in that context?
What am I missing here?
...
Disclosure: I hate both of them (re their behavior including lying), so I'm not trying to defend any politicians here, just understand what the "problem" is.
Plantagenet wrote:Pops wrote:If I was king I would make voting mandatory...
Why do you want people to vote who are so uninformed and so uninterested that they can't make the minimal effort required to vote on their own?
Really, IMHO the best service that people who are incredibly ignorant and incredibly unmotivated can provide to society at large is to not vote. Think about it....any vote that incredibly ignorant people cast if you forced them to vote would be based on nothing but their own incredible ignorance.
any vote that incredibly ignorant and apathetic people would cast ---if you had your way and you were able to force them to vote ---- would be based entirely on their own incredible ignorance.
Cheers!
The 55.7% VAP [voting age persons] turnout in 2016 puts the U.S. behind most of its peers in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, most of whose members are highly developed democratic states. Looking at the most recent nationwide election in each OECD nation, the U.S. places 30th out of 35 nations for which data is available.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:evilgenius wrote:Newfie wrote:Evil,
No one mentioned Trump.
If you want to start a thread comparing the two crooks be my guest. But it is hard to see what relevance it has here.
If you want I can seed a new thread with some of the above posts.
Not trying to shut down the conversation. Just move it if it is going to continue.
Thankyou for understanding.
Isn't the title of this thread "TrumpClinton Mash UP"?
So why wouldn't it be natural for someone to think of both Trump and Clinton in that context?
What am I missing here?
...
Disclosure: I hate both of them (re their behavior including lying), so I'm not trying to defend any politicians here, just understand what the "problem" is.
evilgenius wrote:Plantagenet wrote:Pops wrote:If I was king I would make voting mandatory...
Why do you want people to vote who are so uninformed and so uninterested that they can't make the minimal effort required to vote on their own?
Really, IMHO the best service that people who are incredibly ignorant and incredibly unmotivated can provide to society at large is to not vote. Think about it....any vote that incredibly ignorant people cast if you forced them to vote would be based on nothing but their own incredible ignorance.
any vote that incredibly ignorant and apathetic people would cast ---if you had your way and you were able to force them to vote ---- would be based entirely on their own incredible ignorance.
Cheers!
I think, at worst, it would simply increase the randomness involved. It would be like those kids in school who used to fill in their scantron sheets according to a pattern because those people would be, presumably, removed from even understanding their own issues. But I never sat next to anyone who did that whom I wouldn't trust to vote. I did have some classmates like that.
But the whole idea of excluding anyone is preposterous. And for just the reason I stated above. You can't really increase randomness as much as you will, more likely, get at the truth by extending the suffrage to all. And getting at the truth is what democracy seeks to do. It seeks to derive the will of the people from a snapshot in time.
I don't think the Republican desire to limit suffrage is as racist as many ascribe its motivation to, but that's only because the people who are supporting it are fixated upon their true reason, security, and are not thinking about the other things their ideas will impact upon. You can, also, see some racism at work because when it does come up, and they think about it, they won't back away. They double down. I don't think they should do that, when the severity of what they propose is put before them like that. They make racism part of the competitive nature of politics, when they do that. Since we have this very competitive, lock-step thing going on in the country right now, that is pertinent.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Pops wrote: Perhaps trump will be reelected and we won't have to worry about being bothered after that
vtsnowedin wrote:Have you noticed that a few years ago we had flash mobs hitting mall courts and doing Irish dancing or doing a great performance of the 1812 overture and today a flash mob smashes into a high end store and rips off all the merchandise left exposed on the shelves? How times have changed!
AdamB wrote:vtsnowedin wrote:Have you noticed that a few years ago we had flash mobs hitting mall courts and doing Irish dancing or doing a great performance of the 1812 overture and today a flash mob smashes into a high end store and rips off all the merchandise left exposed on the shelves? How times have changed!
Indeed. Do you think when Biden leaves office he'll be so upset about it that he attempts a coupe, or will he be an American that doesn't believe Putin's word is worth more than the entirety of the American intelligience services?
vtsnowedin wrote:AdamB wrote:Do you think when Biden leaves office he'll be so upset about it that he attempts a coupe, or will he be an American that doesn't believe Putin's word is worth more than the entirety of the American intelligience services?
Are you referring to the 51 Experts that erroneously declared Hunter's laptop a Russian disinformation plant?
vtsnowedin wrote: Biden wont even remember he ever was president a week after he leaves office much less care about a second term.
vtsnowedin wrote: The media and the deep state on the other hand will howl with rage if a Republican wins the white house (any Republican not just Trump) and will immediately begin a campaign to sabotage their presidency.
Newfie wrote:Huh! Bear, Delaware. Next town over.
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