EnergyUnlimited wrote:At the moment it cost $ billions to bring a small sample of material from outside of Earth gravity well.
EnergyUnlimited wrote:For all practical purposes system *is* closed.
EnergyLimited wrote:To believe otherwise is delusional.
EnergyUnlimited wrote:And no, Elon Musk is not going to build mines on Moon, let alone Mars.
EnergyUnlimited wrote:AdamB wrote:As a practical concept the entire idea in a closed system makes perfect sense. In a closed system, use of a thing arrives, sometime, at an end. With mankind's robotic miners already sampling the resources available outside that closed system, there can be no reasonable assumption that the current closed system is all that is available, depletion wise.
At the moment it cost $ billions to bring a small sample of material from outside of Earth gravity well.
Energy price of climbing this well will keep it that way.
Energy price of slowing down brought things to prevent them burning upon descent will double check on it.
For all practical purposes system *is* closed.
To believe otherwise is delusional.
And no, Elon Musk is not going to build mines on Moon, let alone Mars.
Newfie wrote:Pops,
You keep mentioning people leaving the cities. Is that a general thing or what?
Philadelphia is growing for the first time in decades. Housing prices are up,
Not that I understand all the dynamics, I don’t. Part of our decision to sell now.
theluckycountry wrote:Newfie wrote:Pops,
You keep mentioning people leaving the cities. Is that a general thing or what?
Philadelphia is growing for the first time in decades. Housing prices are up,
Not that I understand all the dynamics, I don’t. Part of our decision to sell now.
Cities are fun places to live, until they are not. Then you are trapped, or at least all your capital is trapped. I wonder how many people retired in penury when they were driven out of those Detroit suburbs by the drug problems? Their homes essentially becoming worthless.
"It can't happen to me" must be one of the most concrete concepts in the human brain.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:We don't have to rely on just random conjecture or emotion for this. There is data. This is the internet.
For example:
https://graylinegroup.com/urbanization- ... -overview/
Newfie wrote:Pops,
You keep mentioning people leaving the cities. Is that a general thing or what?.
Then COVID-19 happened and many of these millennials found themselves working from home. Zillow found that nearly two million renters unable to afford homes in metro areas could now afford to buy farther out because they no longer had to commute to work.
As a result, many renters became homebuyers and home and rental prices diverged around the time the pandemic hit the United States.
Pops wrote: I keep hoping technology will advance full circle allowing people to make home more than just a place to sleep, shower and dress for work.
You keep mentioning people leaving the cities. Is that a general thing or what?
Pops wrote:Newfie wrote:Pops,
You keep mentioning people leaving the cities. Is that a general thing or what?.
Not really, just a blip. But being a later day Luddite I take any little blip as a good sign.
AdamB wrote:Pops wrote: I keep hoping technology will advance full circle allowing people to make home more than just a place to sleep, shower and dress for work.
Do you consider telework to be a move in this direction?
vtsnowedin wrote:Telecommuting is fine for those that work with and from a computer all the time but it is impossible to inspect a sewer pipe being installed without actually standing beside the trenchbox and observing what and how the crew is doing their job.
AdamB wrote:
Maybe professions that can do telework, will have a salary premium for those willing to do the work IRL? I know such a thing was exactly what happened for those working offshore in the GOM, compared to their office desk jockey equivalents. The pay difference was close to 2X, back in the day, just because of the working conditions and accompanying responsibilies. You screw up a 20,000' deep directional in the GOM and you are fired. Most pencil pushers can't make a mistake that large to get fired for.
vtsnowedin wrote:AdamB wrote:
Maybe professions that can do telework, will have a salary premium for those willing to do the work IRL? I know such a thing was exactly what happened for those working offshore in the GOM, compared to their office desk jockey equivalents. The pay difference was close to 2X, back in the day, just because of the working conditions and accompanying responsibilies. You screw up a 20,000' deep directional in the GOM and you are fired. Most pencil pushers can't make a mistake that large to get fired for.
Not quite 2X but the outside job always paid me more then the pencil pushers.
Vtsnowedin wrote: Another good thing about night work is that your boss will only show up at one end of the shift and not stay long and pretty much leave you to your own devices as long as good progress is being made. Working outside let me retire at half of the office workers pay at age 51.
AdamB wrote:
I'm not sure what my retirement would look like. Boredom? In either case, while currently eligible, I'm in no hurry to get there, unless my employer irritates me or cool questions to answer and problems to solve are all answered or solved.
vtsnowedin wrote: I worked most construction seasons as a consultant or project resident administrator when I wanted to for thirteen of the last fifteen years and for more money then the state ever paid me.
Covid and my health have now eased me into full retirement and I've moved onto the stock market investing from my computer. And the management here still has a never ending' Honey Do' list in case I am careless enough to mention that I am bored.
Pops wrote:... But being a later day Luddite I take any little blip as a good sign.
Luddites had been skilled, home-based weavers. Their home-oriented lifestyle was made obsolete by factories of automated looms tended by interchangeable commuter drones. I keep hoping technology will advance full circle allowing people to make home more than just a place to sleep, shower and dress for work.
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