KaiserJeep wrote:I'm still wondering why people think civilization will collapse. It never has before .......
KaiserJeep wrote:I'm still wondering why people think civilization will collapse. It never has before, and (although mathematicly a non-zero probability) it seems unlikely to do so.
Even if 90% of the humans die, that's 780 million people left. If 99% die, that's 78 million left. If 99.9% die, still 7.8 milllion humans. Plenty of humans to have electronics, TV, mechanized farms, annoying sales calls on your phone, governments and tax collectors, all the "benefits" of civilization.
Cog wrote:The air on earth has been breathable for hundreds of millions of years through higher global co2 levels and temperatures. It's hubris to think humans are or can change that.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:
One might even call that more of an evolution than a "collapse".
Ibon wrote:Outcast_Searcher wrote:
One might even call that more of an evolution than a "collapse".
good point and one we should consider far more seriously than the teetering on the edge of tipping points.
KaiserJeep wrote:Ancient civilizations collapsed when the population died off because knowledge existed only in people's heads. They were vulnerable to pandemics, wars, and crop failures due to CC, all of which have been happening continuously over the last two millennia without any loss of knowledge. In today's society, everybody has a significant portion of the sum total of knowledge as far away as the nearest mobile device. There are offline copies in every library, printed on paper. Nothing will be lost.
Hollywood strikes again.
dohboi wrote:Pops, your last point reminds me of a sociological study of two adjacent neighborhoods in Chicago. During the deadly heatwave of '95, one neighborhood suffered very many deaths, the other, hardly any at all. After ruling out a number of other possible factors, the sociologist concluded that the difference was community cohesion.
Pops wrote:dohboi wrote:Pops, your last point reminds me of a sociological study of two adjacent neighborhoods in Chicago. During the deadly heatwave of '95, one neighborhood suffered very many deaths, the other, hardly any at all. After ruling out a number of other possible factors, the sociologist concluded that the difference was community cohesion.
Very good.
Showing another downside to the rise of sensationalist clickbait media, let alone the silos of the net.
GHung wrote: It may be hubris to assume humans will emerge from this round of evolutionary forcing as the dominant species, or emerge at all.
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