onlooker wrote:Can I ask all of you a question. This question has intrigued me for some time now. Do you all think that we need to maintain fairly advanced technology to make it through the bottleneck of the consequences to Overshoot? I am not asking will we. But do we need to in order to insure our survival as a species?
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
We have also filled the global ecosystem with a massive amounts of a plethora of artificial chemicals that have never existed in nature and which we don't know how they will interact long-term with life and other systems...especially the persistent ones that nature does not have a way of breaking down easily.
dohboi wrote:ol mentioned "Children of Men" a few posts back...well...:
https://www.gq.com/story/sperm-count-zero
Tanada wrote: From fire you can build all else of civilization.
KaiserJeep wrote:Yes. Even if 99% of 4 billion people die, the surviving 1% is 40 million people. They will have an industrial civilization, internet, power grid, and space travel. The "Doom" part is the people, due to lack of cheap energy and cheap food.
EnergyUnlimited wrote:Tanada wrote: From fire you can build all else of civilization.
Assuming that other resurces are also available to permit that.
Otherwise you won't get further than to XVII century level and even that is not certain.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
ralfy wrote:Will the global population also have to be as small as that of the early 20th century, and static?
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Tanada wrote:ralfy wrote:Will the global population also have to be as small as that of the early 20th century, and static?
Modern wheat, rice and maize are not the same plants we were growing in 1918, all three have been bread to produce far greater yields than their century ago versions. In addition to that reality a great deal of fully viable crop land in North America has been allowed to return to fallow/wild status in the last half century of megafarm style agriculture. Half the farms from Maine to Minnesota have been allowed to go back to woodlot since 1972 when Federal policy was changed to encourage mega corporate farms vs family operations. All of that land is still there and still viable farmland and if people need to grow more food it will be put back into production.
Tanada wrote: In addition to that reality a great deal of fully viable crop land in North America has been allowed to return to fallow/wild status in the last half century of megafarm style agriculture. Half the farms from Maine to Minnesota have been allowed to go back to woodlot since 1972 when Federal policy was changed to encourage mega corporate farms vs family operations. All of that land is still there and still viable farmland and if people need to grow more food it will be put back into production.
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