KaiserJeep wrote:asg70 is correct. We are screwed, blued, and tattooed because apes do not restrain their reproduction rates. There are far far too many people and not enough stuff. The presence of our food species, both animal and plant, is even more disruptive than the human animals themselves.
Cog wrote:We aren't limited to the environment we happen to find ourselves in like the lower animals of the field. We can harvest things, like oil, gas, and coal and improve our abilities to reproduce in large quantities. Stop trying to make humans just like any other animal. We are special and unique on the whole planet and we can manipulate the environment and exploit resources to suit ourselves.
onlooker wrote:Stop trying to make humans just like any other animal.
In fact, modern anthropology and neuroscience show that cooperation, group identity, and a sense of fair play are defining features of humanity
In contrast to chimpanzees, who are obsessed with competing against each other, humans evolved to become the most cooperative of primates through our ability to share intentions with each other, while recognizing that others see the world from different perspectives. This enabled early humans to work collaboratively on complex tasks, creating communities with shared values and practices that became the basis for culture and civilization.
Genes are fundamentally selfish:
New foundation: Nature is a network
This has been extensively discredited as a simplistic interpretation of evolution. In its place, biologists are developing a more sophisticated view of evolution as a series of complex, interlocking systems, where the gene, organism, community, species, and environment all interact with each other, both competitively and cooperatively
onlooker wrote:cooperation, group identity, and a sense of fair play are defining features of humanity
This enabled early humans to work collaboratively on complex tasks, creating communities with shared values and practices that became the basis for culture and civilization.
web of networked systems
Postby onlooker » Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:30 am
In responsee to VTS and his assertion that Capitalism has been such a success. Well, maybe for a relatively few on this planet for a brief time. Otherwise, Capitalism is nothing more than economic Survival of the fittest. So, that throughout time a small minority of people have benefitted from this market economic system and usually those same have exploited all the rest of the people as slaves, feudal peasants, in invasions for monetary/resource gain etc.
So in the modern age it is no different. The masses of the third world have neutered to helplessness while the rich countries and its citizens have benefitted. Sorry, to veer away from topic but thought I would set the record straight. If anyone wishes to debate about this, we can on the "Capitaism is Evil" thread in the Economics and Finance forum
onlooker wrote:Millions and billions of people will probably die in the wind down of Civilization and the ensuing more drastic effects of AGW. I only hope that throughout all this period, people will channel their more noble instincts and have compassion for each other and behave as such.
Obviously the people that repeatedly write and say this are wrong. If it is a "necessity of life" and a person lacks it they will soon be dead. So there are two choices, one that people can live with much less food ,water , shelter and clothing then the authors think is "necessary"or two these people, that keep on living and increasing in population, have found ways to acquire adequate amounts of these" necessities "that the authors can't understand or measure.onlooker wrote:... As a result, billions of people are living without the very basic necessities of life - food, water, housing and sanitation."
vtsnowedin wrote:Obviously the people that repeatedly write and say this are wrong. If it is a "necessity of life" and a person lacks it they will soon be dead. So there are two choices, one that people can live with much less food ,water , shelter and clothing then the authors think is "necessary"or two these people, that keep on living and increasing in population, have found ways to acquire adequate amounts of these" necessities "that the authors can't understand or measure.onlooker wrote:... As a result, billions of people are living without the very basic necessities of life - food, water, housing and sanitation."
At any rate the mere fact that the authors have declared these people if not dead doomed to soon be dead when they if fact persist and multiply proves that the authors are idiots.
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