vtsnowedin wrote:The truth remains that once one of these new nuclear "powers" actually sends a bomb into one of the older Nuclear powers cities the retaliation will be swift and complete. The question is will if say North Korea hits Japan or the USA will we give China the chance to choose sides and wipe out North Korea or choose poorly and have all of their major cities up in smoke within hours.
evilgenius wrote:I understand that nuclear forensics can answer the question of where any bomb came from. The trick is the resolve. Mutually assured destruction means that you have to destroy if you have been destroyed. There have been countless works of fiction written where the leaders of the countries involved decide to trade cities. Given the groundswell that elected Trump, I don't think that would work. Real people want revenge.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
While there’s no question that a nuclear strike on the Continental US would be utterly devastating, it’s not the only way a rogue state like North Korea could kill millions of American civilians in one fell swoop. Another possibility that is being studied by lawmakers and Pentagon officials is – like North Korea itself – a vestige of the Cold War. We’re of course referring to an electromagnetic pulse. By detonating a hydrogen bomb in just the right spot miles above the Earth’s surface, the North could permanently damage the US power grid – maybe even take it offline completely. By robbing entire swaths of the US of electricity, the North could precipitate thousands – if not millions – of deaths. The North first threatened an EMP attack over the summer, and North Korean media and its people have mentioned it several
Newfie wrote:Kinda like PR?
But without outside help.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Newfie wrote:Yes, we have been very lucky.
I equipped our house in Philadelphia with a dead stupid simple diesel generator, Chinese, back before emission controls. 6kw. The main purpose being to keep power to the oil forced hot air heater. Freeze thaw would kill the pipes and create massive damage.
Now that I’m not there to start the thing I don’t know. Maybe I could talk one of the tenents through it.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Newfie wrote:Kinda like PR?
But without outside help.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42677604
An incoming missile alert plunged residents of Hawaii into panic on Saturday morning before it was declared to be false.
Mobile phone users received a message saying: "Ballistic missile threat inbound to Hawaii. Seek immediate shelter. This is not a drill."
State Governor David Ige apologised to Hawaiians, saying an employee had pressed the wrong button.
The US government announced there would be a full investigation.
An alert system is in place because of the potential proximity of Hawaii to North Korean missiles.
In December, the state tested its nuclear warning siren for the first time since the end of the Cold War.
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