dohboi wrote:Obviously, since she's in the march, this 'old fashioned' enviro is very concerned about GW. Could it be that it is you that are the deluded one???
timmac wrote:
Climate Change As Religion: The Gospel According To Gore
Author Michael Crichton articulated the essence of this creed in a 2003 speech in which he observed:
There’s an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with Nature; there’s a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result from eating from the tree of knowledge; and as a result of our actions, there is a judgment day coming for all of us. We are energy sinners, doomed to die, unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability is salvation in the church of the environment, just as organic food is its communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right beliefs imbibe.
Yes, throughout human history, people have had to adapt to climate changes – some long, some severe, and many unpredictable. They have blamed themselves for bad seasons, believing they had invoked the displeasure of the gods through a large variety of offenses.
High priests of doom told them so, extracting oaths of fealty and offerings of penance for promised interventions on their behalf. In this regard, at least for some, it seems little has changed.
Nobel Physics laureate Ivar Giaever has called global warming a “new religion.” Its temple is built on grounds of faith rather than scientific foundations. Climate change is not Mother Nature’s retribution for human audacity to multiply and survive, any more than a tornado that destroys a particular church is God’s retribution for belonging to the “wrong” congregation” Get over it! It’s not all about us!
Climate changes and shorter-term weather events are the way nature balances itself, move heat and moisture around, and provide motivations for species to evolve. CO2 is a small but nonetheless important part of the system.
Anyone with even a modicum of knowledge about climate history recognizes that the Arctic experiences substantial climate swings about every 60-70 years due to entirely natural ocean oscillation cycles. It was very much warmer 1,000 years ago when Eric the Red and his band of Icelandic Viking settlers raised livestock on Greenland’s coastal grasslands. I certainly didn’t see any sheep or goats during my year there in 1959-60 as a military air traffic controller when temperatures reached 60 degrees below zero.
A study presented in the July 2008 issue of the journal Science notes that Greenland’s melt rate may have been recently decreasing once again when viewed over a long timescale. This research, led by Dr. Roderick S. W. van de Wal of the Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research in Utrecht, was based upon 17 years of satellite measurements.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/04/26/climate-change-as-religion-the-gospel-according-to-gore/
Let's Be Very Clear Mr. Kerry: No Scientific Evidence Of 'Dangerous' Human Climate Influence Exists
First of all, let’s briefly review just a few real facts:
There has been no statistical global warming for the past 17 years…most of today’s high school students haven’t witnessed it in their lifetimes.
There is absolutely no credible scientific consensus that human activities, including fossil burning, are having a dangerous (or even measurable) influence on climate change…either for warming or cooling.
The climate crisis dogma-premised “sustainable energy” fetish has caused disastrous government policies in the U.S. and abroad, particularly in Europe where failures have produced economic distress.
Nations are abandoning the U.N.’s climate hype-promoted Kyoto carbon emission reduction commitments in droves as its Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change struggles to explain why its model-based predictions have been spectacularly disproven by Mother Nature.
Climate changes without any help from us…has for millions of years…and as we can expect, always will…with Ice Ages occurring during about 90 percent of the time.
Kerry’s Very Original Talking Points Speech Writer
Perhaps the content and tone of Secretary Kerry’s pronouncements will strike some people as familiar, dating back to the U.N.’s 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro aimed at ginning up Kyoto Protocol support. Speaking at the opening ceremony, its organizing chairman, Canadian billionaire Maurice Strong, said “Every bit of evidence I’ve seen persuades me that we are on a [climate] course leading to a tragedy.”
Bear in mind here that this “persuading evidence” appeared just 12 years after three and one-half decades of flat or cooling temperatures had persuaded many scientists to conclude that the next Ice Age was nigh. Lots of major news publications trumpeted this alarm in headline articles.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2014/02/24/lets-be-very-clear-mr-kerry-no-scientific-evidence-of-dangerous-human-climate-influence-exists/
Sixstrings wrote:timmac wrote:
Buying "carbon credits" is just like how the catholic church used to sell "indulgences" -- paying some money for a free pass to go "sin."
Papal indulgence / carbon credit = same thing.Climate Change As Religion: The Gospel According To Gore
Author Michael Crichton articulated the essence of this creed in a 2003 speech in which he observed:
There’s an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with Nature; there’s a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result from eating from the tree of knowledge; and as a result of our actions, there is a judgment day coming for all of us. We are energy sinners, doomed to die, unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability is salvation in the church of the environment, just as organic food is its communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right beliefs imbibe.
Yes, throughout human history, people have had to adapt to climate changes – some long, some severe, and many unpredictable. They have blamed themselves for bad seasons, believing they had invoked the displeasure of the gods through a large variety of offenses.
High priests of doom told them so, extracting oaths of fealty and offerings of penance for promised interventions on their behalf. In this regard, at least for some, it seems little has changed.
Nobel Physics laureate Ivar Giaever has called global warming a “new religion.” Its temple is built on grounds of faith rather than scientific foundations. Climate change is not Mother Nature’s retribution for human audacity to multiply and survive, any more than a tornado that destroys a particular church is God’s retribution for belonging to the “wrong” congregation” Get over it! It’s not all about us!
Climate changes and shorter-term weather events are the way nature balances itself, move heat and moisture around, and provide motivations for species to evolve. CO2 is a small but nonetheless important part of the system.
Anyone with even a modicum of knowledge about climate history recognizes that the Arctic experiences substantial climate swings about every 60-70 years due to entirely natural ocean oscillation cycles. It was very much warmer 1,000 years ago when Eric the Red and his band of Icelandic Viking settlers raised livestock on Greenland’s coastal grasslands. I certainly didn’t see any sheep or goats during my year there in 1959-60 as a military air traffic controller when temperatures reached 60 degrees below zero.
A study presented in the July 2008 issue of the journal Science notes that Greenland’s melt rate may have been recently decreasing once again when viewed over a long timescale. This research, led by Dr. Roderick S. W. van de Wal of the Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research in Utrecht, was based upon 17 years of satellite measurements.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/04/26/climate-change-as-religion-the-gospel-according-to-gore/
Dohboi, it's such common sense, how do you answer the above??? WHY don't you, can't you answer it?
It's historical fact, how much warmer the earth was 1,000 years ago and those Vikings were living it up in "Green Land" and then as "climate change" ensuued -- cooling -- they slowly died out until the last Viking colonist went extinct.
Ok, so Greenland will be a bit greener again, it's a cycle you know?
And then the little ice age, in the late 1700s, with the Thames river frozen.
It just seems to me that yeah it gets hotter and cooler and yeah sometimes Greenland and the arctic lose all the ice, we just have these swings you know, it goes back and forth over centuries and millennia, hundreds of thousands of years, millions and billions of years.
I've seen this thing go from "global warming" to "climate change" to now, lately, "it's not even about how hot it is that's just one small factor." "It's not about how many hurricanes there are."
Well if that's not what it's about, then what's it about?
I've just got to say here, the weather in my parts has been *unusually perfect* for the last *ten darn years*. So what am I supposed to make of that. That the sky is falling? Complain about a good thing? So, no hurricanes, milder summers, just gorgeous weather overall -- so what is the problem here.
Good grief. Gore has been sounding the alarm since I was a darn kid, and even I'm too damn old now to worry about this sh*t. Ya know?
I mean really here, why don't we just admit the sky is not falling.
Maybe Al Gore will pull a William Shatner one day and tell the climate trekkies to "get a life," after making so much money off them:
GASMON wrote:Two faced eco-wanker.
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radon1 wrote:Al Gore is helpful in terms of raising awareness, but he will fiercely resist any relevant positive change if he is confronted with one.
GASMON wrote:Two faced eco-wanker.
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dohboi wrote: what you mean by: "relevant positive change"
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