Sixstrings wrote:This whole debate is silly.
Sixstrings wrote:Being an omnivore is a survival advantage...
BasilBoy wrote:[Sixstrings wrote:Being an omnivore is a survival advantage...
Being an omnivore WAS a survival advantage.
vtsnowedin wrote:BasilBoy wrote:[Sixstrings wrote:Being an omnivore is a survival advantage...
Being an omnivore WAS a survival advantage.
And what is the great thing you think has changed??
BasilBoy wrote:..then why participate in it? Diet is one of the most fundamental variables to our well being and hardly silly
Sixstrings wrote:Being an omnivore is a survival advantage...
BasilBoy wrote:vtsnowedin wrote:BasilBoy wrote:[Sixstrings wrote:Being an omnivore is a survival advantage...
Being an omnivore WAS a survival advantage.
And what is the great thing you think has changed??
We have an abundance of food compared to our distant ancestors. They ate whatever they could get their hands on to survive. Also, their food was not industrialized. They weren't hunting down grain-fed, hormone-riddled cows...
Sixstrings wrote:Well it's just my opinion.
Sixstrings wrote:1. There's an obsessive nature to this lifestyle. I honestly wonder what it's all about, is it really about the animals / planet or is it about the person needing something to obsess over because they're otherwise very comfy upper percentile first worlders with nothing else to worry about.
Sixstrings wrote:Take a look around a Whole Foods store. You won't see any poor folk. For one thing they can't afford to shop there, which leads to point 2..
2. Veganism seems rather expensive to me. And time-consuming. Workin' folk are over at Walmart where they can afford to shop, and they buy meat. Workin' folk don't have time for exotic lentil and tofu curd soup recipes.
Sixstrings wrote:Also food is culture. You can't expect people to drop their culture -- this goes back thousands of years.
Sixstrings wrote:3. The vegan movement strikes me as very militant, intolerant, rigid, and dogmatic. Vegans also appeal to emotion a lot, there's more emotion than reason in their message.
Sixstrings wrote:Maximum food choice will always be a survival advantage. Would you starve as a vegan if there were only meat available? That would be an eating disorder, to irrationally refuse food
thuja wrote:Basil - I watched Forks over Knives and it had a profound effect on my household. We went from being everyday meat eaters to being once a week meat eaters.
I'd recommend the book "Thrive" by Brendan Brazier. He's a vegan triathlete and his book is pretty compelling. His recipes are great too- really focused on using the most nutrient dense foods such as flax, hemp, nuts, seeds, supergreens along with fruits and veggies. The recipes are great...
PrestonSturges wrote:If I had the choice of depriving myself my whole life in hopes of possibly adding an extra six months to the worst part of my life, I think I'll just have an extra slice of pie instead.
PrestonSturges wrote:Humans succeeded by eating whatever's available. We're just big cockroaches.
If I had the choice of depriving myself my whole life in hopes of possibly adding an extra six months to the worst part of my life, I think I'll just have an extra slice of pie instead.
Unfortunately, when you eat or drink a lot of soy stuff, you’re also getting substantial quantities of estrogens.
Estrogens are female hormones. If you’re a woman, you’re flooding your system with a substance it can’t handle in surplus. If you’re a man, you’re suppressing your masculinity and stimulating your “female side,” physically and mentally.
In fetal development, the default is being female. All humans (even in old age) tend toward femininity. The main thing that keeps men from diverging into the female pattern is testosterone, and testosterone is suppressed by an excess of estrogen.
If you’re a grownup, you’re already developed, and you’re able to fight off some of the damaging effects of soy. Babies aren’t so fortunate. Research is now showing that when you feed your baby soy formula, you’re giving him or her the equivalent of five birth control pills a day. A baby’s endocrine system just can’t cope with that kind of massive assault, so some damage is inevitable. At the extreme, the damage can be fatal.
http://www.wnd.com/2006/12/39253/
I see Nordic women in two distinct varieties - the lightly built Finnish types and the much more robust Viking breeding valkyries (Norwegian?).SeaGypsy wrote:My wife being tiny and Asian, me coming from Nordic stock mostly, she couldn't cope with either the births or breastfeeding our offspring.
Sixstrings wrote:Gonna say this more simply..
If we don't have cattle and people eat the grain / corn that the cows currently consume..
That just results in greater food efficiency..
Which means an even larger human population. Nothing is solved.
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