Well thought I'd better say something since this thread attacks cornys like me.
>Is Cornucopianism the new Creationism?No.
The core of any religion was found to be
an assertion that can be believed, but cannot be evidenced.Lets look at ian807s post from page 2.
ian807 wrote:Well, cornucopianism is certainly faith-based in the sense that the data suggests that we're on the downslope of non- renewable energy availability, at least as far as liquid hydrocarbons go.
Good start. IEA data shows oil supply going up for at least 18 years. Its more available to humans now than in the entire history of the 13.7bn year old universe. Yet peakers think we're on the downslope. Which is exact opposite where we are. Ian even uses the term 'liquid hydrocarbon' rather than oil, which just clarifies peakers favourite ambiguity in my favour.
>The faith based arguments to the contrary seem to boil down to:
* The economist's argument: "Demand will create supply"Bear in mind its the cartel that create demand by choosing the price of oil, the increase in the price of oil has done exactly this for 8 years. Evidenced.
* The "magic oil" argument: "Abiotic oil is a renewable resource, constantly being created."That's something peakers like to stoop low and try smear with. Cornies don't believe in abiotic oil.
* The technology will save us argument: "New technology [insert favorite here] will solve the energy crisis! Why need new tech? There's no energy crisis. Old tech has already saved us for thousands of years. Hundreds of years of oil left, thousands for coal, tens of thousands for nuclear power. Nuclear power unlocked energy 10000 to 100000 times denser than fossil fuel. So the effort needed to find some was orders of magnitude less than for fossil fuels. We've effectively not looks for nuclear fuel at all, yet we've found enough to last us thru the next glacial period ( 100,000 years supply ).
* We haven't explored all the Earth's surface yet. There's bound to be more oil (This is sort of a recent Faux News talking point.)Why bother? We've got so much spare energy. The only exploration is effectively for effortlessly easy oil.
>All of the above arguments demand either a belief in magicNope.
That the rest of the peakers here don't say a word to ian just strikes me you're all in silent agreement with him. It's the
peak oil doom is now belief that compares to religion. It's just like talking to judgement day focused enthusiasts -
the end of the world is nigh. Ever tried convincing such people that the end of the world isn't nigh?
Don't let IEA data spoil your religion. This forum evidences the old assertion that
religious fervour grows when the facts which falsify your belief are stuck under noses. This thread is clearly a direct response to the
IEA : 2011 set new high oil supply record thread. It's ( and that I've pointed it out to you 2 years in a row, and that if I'd been present I could have done it effectively 18 years in a row, and that I'm going to do it every year from now on! ) threatened your beliefs, so now you all get seriously religious. Same thing happened for AGWers when reality kicked their global warming beliefs when the weather went cold in 2007 as skeptics predicted.
I ought to get a private message of thanks from admin for strengthening the fanatisism of peakers on this forum. Look forward to reading the new level of fiery fundamentalist zeal in all the PO posts this year. Just think what you'll all be like by 2015 and another 4 years of increasing oil supply! You'll all be rabid enraged animals!