Cog wrote:Which leads me to a couple of question. Is Vermont exporting their criminals into New York as well? Why isn't there massive gun violence in Vermont, where guns are freely available?
Sixstrings wrote:My sense from his explanations is that actually he saw the logical problem in those votes. We're talking about suing gun factories, for gun violence. I don't know the full legal thing on this, somebody jump in if they do, but I think I read it's about gun manufacturers that "knowingly" sell guns to stores in high crime big cities.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:Sixstrings wrote:My sense from his explanations is that actually he saw the logical problem in those votes. We're talking about suing gun factories, for gun violence. I don't know the full legal thing on this, somebody jump in if they do, but I think I read it's about gun manufacturers that "knowingly" sell guns to stores in high crime big cities.
Under the "strong" legal theory, no doubt, that it's difficult or impossible to, say, buy a gun in a low crime area 20ish miles away, and transport it to a high crime area.
Liberal fantasies aside, I'm with you on the McDonald's fries from potatoes example, it's hard to take such lawsuits seriously.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:Under the "strong" legal theory, no doubt, that it's difficult or impossible to, say, buy a gun in a low crime area 20ish miles away, and transport it to a high crime area.
Liberal fantasies aside, I'm with you on the McDonald's fries from potatoes example, it's hard to take such lawsuits seriously.
vtsnowedin wrote:Years back Strum Ruger paid out millions to people who dropped fully loaded revolvers on the hammer and shot themselves. Safe practice had always been to carry a revolver with the hammer down on an empty chamber but the owners could not be held to the responsibility of using safe practices.
Bernie Sanders Wins Wyoming Democratic Caucuses
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/10/us/politics/wyoming-colorado-voting-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-ted-cruz-donald-trump.html
BERNIE SANDERS FACES MOUNTING CRITICISM ON GUNS
The former secretary of state especially has highlighted his previous support for the 2005 law, the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA). The measure prevents gun-violence victims from taking legal action against firearms distributors whose weapons are used in fatal shootings and other crimes.
On the defensive, the Vermont senator has leaned on his rural ties and goal to help mom-and-pop gun shops from facing legal action. He brags about his weak D-minus rating from the National Rifle Association (NRA), which he argues makes him an enemy to the gun industry. He even has vowed to co-sponsor a bill with congressional Democrats that seeks to void PLCAA, which he voted for when he served in the House.
http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-comments-gun-manufacturers-sandy-hook-lawsuit-444688
Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act
The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a United States law which protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. However, both manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible in much the same manner that any U.S. based manufacturer of consumer products is held responsible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_in_Arms_Act
Democrats, gun violence victims blast Bernie Sanders for siding with gunmakers in comments to the Daily News
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/bernie-sanders-faces-recoil-gun-comments-made-news-article-1.2591035
Hillary Clinton uses Sandy Hook victims as ‘political props’ to shame Bernie Sanders on gun control
Three women, advertised by Ms Clinton's campaign team and who were affected by gun massacres, have called out Mr Sanders for saying he does not think they should sue the weapons manufacturers
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/hillary-clinton-uses-sandy-hook-victims-as-political-props-to-shame-bernie-sanders-on-gun-control-a6975706.html
Subjectivist wrote:Bernie won again yesterday. Hillary doesn't seem popular outside of her core east coast/southern strategy.
ennui2 wrote:Bernie would need to win a state like New York to prove that the tide is turning his way, but current polls put him 18 points off, despite him being from NY and Hillary a carpet-bagger.
vtsnowedin wrote:Yes Bernie won again in Wyoming 55.7 to 44.3 but Hilary split the pledged delegates with him 7 to 7 and kept the 4 super delegates she had already bought off in January so comes out ahead 11 to 7. A very democratic process the democrats have there don't you think.
Politics These Days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECxH4uIswiA
Sixstrings wrote:vtsnowedin wrote:Yes Bernie won again in Wyoming 55.7 to 44.3 but Hilary split the pledged delegates with him 7 to 7 and kept the 4 super delegates she had already bought off in January so comes out ahead 11 to 7. A very democratic process the democrats have there don't you think.
Agreed, but look at the R side, there's talk they may nominate Paul Ryan or Mitt Romney at the convention. Neither of which appeared on ballots or got any votes.
Here's Paul Ryan's campaign video:Politics These Days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECxH4uIswiA
The Clinton situation was unfair, how weighted everything was in her favor, but yet the R side may wind up being worse -- a nominee that nobody voted for.
New York poll: Clinton tops Sanders by double-digits
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/11/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-poll-new-york/index.html
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