joelcolorado wrote:But, if you take out the THOUSANDS of golf courses that are watered in desert climates, there is plenty of water for human consumption, agriculture and industry. Its all in what you WANT to do.
joelcolorado wrote:Guess I need to finish my thots.
Anyway, just like with the water use, oil use is wasted. Too many big cars, SUV's and other things. We want it all and want it NOW.
This is easy to fix if we all just drive smaller cars and use half as much fuel. Live in smaller homes which take less heat and cooling, take one less trip a year, walk some instead of driving and other cost savings things.
With cars making 35 mpg, we would have plenty of gas. Twice as much as now. Cars make the same mpg a the first cars. Whats with that.
I would bet that this time, is the last. PPL will get rid of the big SUV's and not go back like they did in the 80's
With cars making 35 mpg, we would have plenty of gas. Twice as much as now. Cars make the same mpg a the first cars. Whats with that
joelcolorado wrote:Funny reply to your last post. I scuba dive and have learned to breathe real shallow to make a tank last twice as long.
Same for oil, the less you use the longer it will last.
NO ONE wants to conserve and I dont understand that at all.
With solar, wind, water, ethanol, and oil, there is enough, but only to those who are prudent.
Nothing is unlimited as you have stated.
Rage wrote:The major issue as I see it is converting our financial system, our government and food production systems from a growth based model to something sustainable - especially without reducing the population. That's not to say that I think there will be a classical "die-off"- even with no changes people are going to start to die at an increased rate over the next two or three decades (in the West anyway). What I'm concerned about is the method that we choose to introduce these new systems. I agree with you JC that it is possible to get by with less and keep almost everybody happy but I don't see how we can transistion to that system and manipulate peoples expectations into excepting it without significant upheaval.
joelcolorado wrote:I know. If the govt said everyone drives THIS car. I would go for it. I dont care. Would try and help out. But to move ppl to that point will take something huge as we see now. Still hanging on to big cars and trucks and houses.
No one thinks this is the end as there have been too many false alarms in the past. Hope for the best I guess or denial.
We could use half of what we use now and still have growth, just would take sacrifice in our routines. SO WHAT. Better than a crash but I fear no one sees it that way.
eat drink and be merry etc.
Guess what one of em just bought!
2008 F350 4 door extended cab. Razz
vision-master wrote:I just got back from coffee with a couple friends. I've been beating the PO drum to them for a couple years. So!
Guess what one of em just bought!
2008 F350 4 door extended cab.
joelcolorado wrote:THOUSANDS of golf courses...
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