U.S. Military Leaders Support Iran Deal

43 Comments on "U.S. Military Leaders Support Iran Deal"

Nony on Thu, 20th Aug 2015 10:41 am 



I don’t think active duty officers should be signing as personally supporting treaties. You need an (ret) after your name to start making these political statements.

BTW, what would be the impact on a flag if he wrote the opposite? Can he even reasonably do so, given he takes orders from the executive? Oh…and flags are generally picked for being a little buttkissy anyhows.

P.s. And I’m actually FOR this treaty. I just don’t like weenie-ass flags.

BobInget on Thu, 20th Aug 2015 10:59 am 



Republicans will respond, “Israel has every right to defend itself”. IOW’s ‘pivot’. Always offer an answer that ‘sounds powerful and decisive’

If one hundred climate scientists profess that global warming is our most serious problem but a popular weatherman from Channel ‘Live at Five’ takes the denial position, Republicans claim
‘there’s still plenty of evidence man’s activity has little or nothing to do with so called ‘climate change’.

Of the one hundred or so Military, one or two will
become TV spokespersons. Pro-war, Israeli lobby folks will put up two articulate non Jews to argue “Israel’s right to defend itself”

This morning’s read came up with the headline;
“South Africa’s Violent Culture”
I had to share that here.
If anyone out there can recall SA bombing any foreign nation, let us know.

US and UK military have known for a decade there is no way Israel, even with Saudi & US assistance, could win such a war with Iran.

ISIS Movement is spreading across Africa at an alarming rate. Nigeria, Libya, Egypt, Sudan, now Algeria, Africa’s largest country. Does anyone here on PO.com see anything in common with these nations? Hint:

Our only hope at this point is to reestablish diplomatic relations with Iran. If not, we are doomed to twenty or more years of multi front
wars. At some point in two decades we will have forgotten why we went to war in the first place, the oil, now long gone, America in financial ruin,
China dominant, Israel still ‘hoking a chainic, (talk nonsense).

rockman on Thu, 20th Aug 2015 11:03 am 



Interesting. At one time it was a court marshal offense for officers to make public their personal opinions (good or bad) on the policies of the civilian govt.

But anyway the overwhelming majority of the officer core supported the last invasion of Iraa. Doesn’t add a lot of credibilty to their opinions, does it?

BobInget on Thu, 20th Aug 2015 11:30 am 



Nony, this Five plus one nation nuclear agreement is not a treaty.
Believe me, I’m only stating fact, not doing a ‘gotcha’.

I see by the list many Republican and Democrat
former Cabinet Members. Not uniformed military.

Here’s the skinny, The Pentagon has been running war simulations with Iran since the Carter years. We always lose. Only the unthinkable, (traumatized Israel considered this)
using nuclear weapons to flatten the entire country, holocausting almost every Iranian.

Iran is a large country, Israel, a very small one— with nukes. Nuclear ‘parity’ is impossible.
It will take fifty nukes to kill every Iranian, one “Islamic” hydrogen bomb to eliminate Israel.

Sanity prevails. Six nations worked out a deal to prevent Iran getting nukes. Diplomacy worked.
Let’s give peace a chance.

Nony on Thu, 20th Aug 2015 1:16 pm 



The majority of the American public supported the war, Rock. Are you going to claim they are stupid? 😉

Nony on Thu, 20th Aug 2015 1:37 pm 



Bob: I already said I was for the deal and did so here and have done so before. I still don’t want uniformed military making these statements for something that is being debated in Congress. For one thing, do you REALLY think they feel comfortable volunteering the opposite opinions (saying their CiC is wrong?)

They should keep their mouths shut and execute whatever military actions the civilian leadership comes up with.

For that matter, they’re not even experts on international relations. They’re just guys who stayed in and got promoted.

Nony on Thu, 20th Aug 2015 1:39 pm 



NEVER MIND (cue Gilda Radner)

Just checked the linked story and it says they are all retired.

Nony on Thu, 20th Aug 2015 3:42 pm 



https://screen.yahoo.com/weekend-emily-litella-violins-tv-000000080.html

Apneaman on Thu, 20th Aug 2015 6:14 pm 



Looks like them commies and ragheads is teaming up for some freedom hating N stealing and tax increasing.

Russia & Iran reach agreement on S-300 air defense systems delivery – deputy foreign minister

http://www.rt.com/news/312804-russia-iran-s300-delivery/

Makati1 on Thu, 20th Aug 2015 8:31 pm 



Apneaman, we live in exciting times don’t we? I wonder what American’s would think about their government if they read the real news and saw the mega-death destruction they are supporting, in their name and with their tax money?

rockman on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 8:23 am 



Thanks Nony. I suspected all were inactive. So the next question: what motivated them?

joke on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 8:29 am 



Of course they endorse it. They couldn’t beat Vietnam, they couldn’t beat the crazies in Anbar without local help, they couldn’t beat north Korea back in the 50’s.
Israel can’t beat the Muslim militant groups on its border not without making things far worse for itself long term. The British couldn’t beat the puny Irish, and the British couldn’t beat the puny Yankees. Simple fact is, war is a real gamble, the outcome is totally uncertain. If Uncle Joe Stalin had been less of a psycho he would have fled Moscow at this would be a totally different conversation. My point is that in war you just don’t know the level of resistence from your enemy until you fight him, and then things can still go wrong even after ‘victory’.
Even if Iran makes ten nukes, so what! If they use one, then they will be wiped out. If the bomb Israel, they will get nuked, the world would make a point of recreation of a Jewish state again, so it wouldn’t do them any good. I for one might be in a minority who finds comfort in the finality of nukes. If anyone acts up, we all go to God, it won’t matter who strikes first the agressor will get his turn.

Makati1 on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 8:55 am 



joke, you are correct, They know the US cannot win, even with the supposedly best, biggest, most expensive military in history. They have not won anything since WW2 and that was mostly accomplished by the Soviet Union grinding the Nazis to powder over three years and the lost of 40 Russians to one American. And, had the US carriers been in Pearl Harbor on that fateful date, it might have been a different ending there too. So many maybes…lol.

Davy on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 10:14 am 



Makster is rewriting history again. This happens when old men start to lose their functions.

BC on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 11:33 am 



I wonder how many high-level US military leaders would support another Diaspora for Israelis to the Sahara, Aussie Outback, Taklamakan, Atacama, or the US Southwest before taking out Israel and saving the empire a lot of headaches. 😀

Give them five years to emigrate and forty years thereafter wondering in the desert again.

While we’re at it, drone bomb Wall St., Madison Ave., Hollywood, DC, and Palm Beach back to the Bronze or Stone Age. 😀

Boat on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 12:12 pm 



BC,
Another doomer out for blood. Raciest woman hater among other problems. Why are such a high percentage of these bad people doomers? Is there a connection? Who has a chart. Short, you got a chart. Your the chart man.

Boat on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 12:27 pm 



Makati,
The US version of war is not mass killing since WWII. These small skirmishes are a controlling action not anything close to a war. The US has plenty of killing power not deployed.
Past war champions through out history tore across countries killing everything in site. We seek only what we consider is an opponent and do our best to leave the populations culture and societies intact. Enen help rebuild schools, roads, hospitals etc. Did Pol Pot do that? Instead of starving populations the US feeds the populations etc.
So many idiots and so little time to educate them.

Boat on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 12:35 pm 



Nony,
I am against the Iran deal. Instead we should crank up tighter sanctions until they are ready to join the free trading world in a responsible way. At some point the world need to use the same set of rules and quit wasting money on militaries.

Davy on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 12:55 pm 



Boat how is that happy face? Did you get up this morning look in the mirror and struggle to muster a smile. The world according to Boat is not so joyful. It is more a leaking sinking rowboat. You are not sunk yet boat so don’t panic but I am afraid you don’t have much time the sharks are circling.

Apneaman on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 1:03 pm 



boat as per usual you’re completely full of shit and spouting a lifetime of brainwashing. Theres your group think.

Deaths In Other Nations Since
WW II Due To Us Interventions

“This study reveals that U.S. military forces were directly responsible for about 10 to 15 million deaths during the Korean and Vietnam Wars and the two Iraq Wars.”

“The American public probably is not aware of these numbers and knows even less about the proxy wars for which the United States is also responsible. In the latter wars there were between nine and 14 million deaths in Afghanistan, Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, East Timor, Guatemala, Indonesia, Pakistan and Sudan.”

“The overall conclusion reached is that the United States most likely has been responsible since WWII for the deaths of between 20 and 30 million people in wars and conflicts scattered over the world.”

http://www.countercurrents.org/lucas240407.htm

FROM WOUNDED KNEE TO SYRIA:

A CENTURY OF U.S. MILITARY INTERVENTIONS

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

Boat on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 1:11 pm 



Davy,
We have an 11 month old that brings plenty of smiles and love. I wish the same happiness to you and yours.

Davy on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 1:16 pm 



Now your talking more coherently Boat. See what a little acceptance of reality can do for someone.

Boat on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 1:20 pm 



apneaman,
If every one of those countries supported free trade and followed basic international laws those problems would have been averted. Some are slow to learn as Putin is now. As Iran will learn, as Assad will learn etc.
Btw Israel giving up their nukes should be part of the deal like giving up support for Hamas and Al Qaeda for Iran.

Apneaman on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 1:46 pm 



Fuck off boat. Do you have any idea how god damn ridiculous you sound?

Boat on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 2:46 pm 



Were you talking wanna be mass murderer?

peakyeast on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 4:07 pm 



Nuking Israel doesnt sound so bad.. I mean they get a new start with NEW people.

It sounds like it would be a good idea. The current poopulation and their policies are clearly not feasible. I would say its a failed experiment.

Perhaps not entirely serious.. But nonetheless….

Boat on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 5:09 pm 



So you doomers tattoo the swastika? Are we back to 1940 with smart phones? Do you tear the insulation out of your walls and burn books for heat? There is a reason some people should never have a nuke.

Davy on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 5:54 pm 



Boat chill out man you are losing it. I am sorry if your week is going bad because your happy face cornucopian logic is gummed up. You could use some doom it would do you good.

Apneaman on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 7:01 pm 



boat, your government is the only one to use nukes on humans and the slaughter of civilians has kept right on, so shut the fuck up cause you don’t have a leg to stand on. Take a look at where the biggest chunk of tax money goes. No wonder your infrastructure is heading to third world status. You may soon get a taste of what it’s all about boater. Wasn’t part of that recent practice run, Jade Helm, done in your neck of the woods? Practicing to unleash foreign policy on your stupid ass when TSHTF.

When $8.5 Trillion is Chump Change

“Three cheers for Reuters pointing out that the Pentagon can’t explain what it did with $8.5 trillion that taxpayers gave it between 1996 and 2013.”

“But here’s my real concern. The $8.5 trillion is just the bit that the Pentagon can’t account for. That’s far from all the money it was given. U.S. military spending, spread across several departments with the biggest chunk of it to the Department of so-called Defense, is upwards of $1 trillion every year. Over 17 years at the current rate, which rose sharply after 2001, that’s upwards of $17 trillion.”

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/when-8-5-trillion-is-chump-change.html

Makati1 on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 9:36 pm 



Boat, this is why I feel a nuclear war is in our future. America does not think nukes are bad and they keep the door open to use them in a first strike.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/operation-unthinkable-in-immediate-wake-of-world-war-ii-us-planned-to-wipe-out-the-soviet-union-with-a-massive-nuclear-strike/5470161

“The dangerous competition instigated by the US prompted the Soviet Russia to beef up its nuclear capabilities and dragged both countries into the vicious circle of the nuclear arms race. Unfortunately, it seems that the lessons of the past have not been learnt by the West and the question of the “nuclearization” of Europe is being raised again.”

Duck & Cover!

Makati1 on Fri, 21st Aug 2015 10:05 pm 



“Of the 10 candidates on that stage, only Senator Rand Paul departed from faith-based reality by observing that “ISIS rides around in a billion dollars’ worth of U.S. Humvees.” He continued, “It’s a disgrace. We’ve got to stop — we shouldn’t fund our enemies, for goodness sakes.” On a stage filled by Republicans in a lather about nonexistent weaponry in the Middle East — namely, an Iranian A-bomb — only Paul drew attention to weaponry that does exist, much of it American. Though no viewer would know it from that night’s debate, all across the region — from Yemen to Syria to Iraq — U.S. arms are fueling conflicts and turning the living into the dead. Military spending in the Middle East reached almost $200 billion in 2014, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, which tracks arms sales. That represents a jump of 57% since 2005. Some of the largest increases have been among U.S. allies buying big-ticket items from American weapons makers. That includes Iraq and Saudi Arabia ($90 billion in U.S. weapons deals from October 2010 to October 2014), which, by the way, haven’t fared so well against smaller, less well-armed opponents. Those countries have seen increases in their arms purchases of 286% and 112%, respectively, since 2005.”

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176038/tomgram%3A_noam_chomsky%2C_rogue_states_and_nuclear_dangers/#more

The drums of world war 3 are beating louder and louder…

Davy on Sat, 22nd Aug 2015 6:44 am 



Mak your supper “fallen” hero China is militarizing as is your other warmongering hero Russia. We know the US war pigs have been at it for years. My point is this is more of you being your usual slut with an agenda. Here is your agenda Russia and China are good and righteous to be militarizing and the US bad because she is militarized. Mak, they are all dangerous and getting worse. Mak, please wipe your ass for a mouth. Your agenda smell of a turd.

BTW, Makster, does your family know how much you hate the US? Do they know that you routinely display your blood lust for a NUK war that will leave the US destroyed? You have said many times in the past China and Russia are going to do a first strike on the US and leave the US destroyed. You never mention a NUK response by the US and the resulting NUK winter. I guess you haven’t thought that far through. You just like the blood lust of the US being destroyed. What would your grandkids think of the grandpa wanting their home destroyed? Sounds pretty low per my morals.

China Tests Most Dangerous Nuclear Weapon of All Time. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-21/china-tests-most-dangerous-nuclear-weapon-all-time

BC on Sat, 22nd Aug 2015 3:29 pm 



The cost is prohibitive for the Anglo-American, militarist-imperialist corporate-state and for the parasites on Wall St., The City, Frankfurt, and in DC and Westminster who administer the system for the top 0.001-1%.

The “State of Israel” is the militarist garrison-state in the Middle East to do much of the dirty work of Anglo-American empire (had the Americans and Brits not supported the Zionist objective for a “Jewish homeland”, the Soviets would have). The vast majority of Israelis are merely pawns in the great imperial chess game for oil empire.

Right-wing Evangelical “Christians” have been duped for decades into believing that “Jews” are their intellectual, religious, moral, and cultural brethren when most Jews, including Israeli Jews, have contempt for American Evangelical types. The overwhelming majority of Evangelicals have never, and will never, meet and befriend a Jew, let alone an actual observant Jew so as to understand what Jews actually believe about “Christians”.

If Evangelicals were better informed and not self-superior and self-delusional, they would not support Israel anymore than they would support ISIS, Al Qaeda, Planned Parenthood, or Gays for Jaa-eeesus.

If Jaa-eeesus were here today in the West, he would be hangin’ with the homeless, winos, druggies, prostitutes, runaways, treehuggers, staff at public hospitals and clinics, and the Occupy Movement (what’s left of it); and he’d be moralizing against the huckstering “moneychangers” and banksters on Wall St. worshiping the god of money at the Temple of Mammon.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/

“What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.

Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our time.

An organization of society which would abolish the preconditions for huckstering, and therefore the possibility of huckstering, would make the Jew impossible. His religious consciousness would be dissipated like a thin haze in the real, vital air of society. On the other hand, if the Jew recognizes that this practical nature of his is futile and works to abolish it, he extricates himself from his previous development and works for human emancipation as such and turns against the supreme practical expression of human self-estrangement.

We recognize in Judaism, therefore, a general anti-social element of the present time, an element which through historical development – to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed – has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily begin to disintegrate.

In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Judaism.”

“. . . Judaism continues to exist not in spite of history, but owing to history.

The Jew is perpetually created by civil society from its own entrails.

What, in itself, was the basis of the Jewish religion? Practical need, egoism.

The monotheism of the Jew, therefore, is in reality the polytheism of the many needs, a polytheism which makes even the lavatory an object of divine law. Practical need, egoism, is the principle of civil society, and as such appears in pure form as soon as civil society has fully given birth to the political state. The god of practical need and self-interest is money.

Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities. Money is the universal self-established value of all things. It has, therefore, robbed the whole world – both the world of men and nature – of its specific value. Money is the estranged essence of man’s work and man’s existence, and this alien essence dominates him, and he worships it.

The god of the Jews has become secularized and has become the god of the world. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange.

The view of nature attained under the domination of private property and money is a real contempt for, and practical debasement of, nature; in the Jewish religion, nature exists, it is true, but it exists only in imagination.”

“. . . From the outset, the Christian was the theorizing Jew, the Jew is, therefore, the practical Christian, and the practical Christian has become a Jew again.

Christianity had only in semblance overcome real Judaism. It was too noble-minded, too spiritualistic to eliminate the crudity of practical need in any other way than by elevation to the skies.

Christianity is the sublime thought of Judaism, Judaism is the common practical application of Christianity, but this application could only become general after Christianity as a developed religion had completed theoretically the estrangement of man from himself and from nature.

Only then could Judaism achieve universal dominance and make alienated man and alienated nature into alienable, vendible objects subjected to the slavery of egoistic need and to trading.

Selling [verausserung] is the practical aspect of alienation [Entausserung]. Just as man, as long as he is in the grip of religion, is able to objectify his essential nature only by turning it into something alien, something fantastic, so under the domination of egoistic need he can be active practically, and produce objects in practice, only by putting his products, and his activity, under the domination of an alien being, and bestowing the significance of an alien entity – money – on them.

In its perfected practice, Christian egoism of heavenly bliss is necessarily transformed into the corporal egoism of the Jew, heavenly need is turned into world need, subjectivism into self-interest. We explain the tenacity of the Jew not by his religion, but, on the contrary, by the human basis of his religion – practical need, egoism.

Since in civil society the real nature of the Jew has been universally realized and secularized, civil society could not convince the Jew of the unreality of his religious nature, which is indeed only the ideal aspect of practical need. Consequently, not only in the Pentateuch and the Talmud, but in present-day society we find the nature of the modern Jew, and not as an abstract nature but as one that is in the highest degree empirical, not merely as a narrowness of the Jew, but as the Jewish narrowness of society.

Once society has succeeded in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism – huckstering and its preconditions – the Jew will have become impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object, because the subjective basis of Judaism, practical need, has been humanized, and because the conflict between man’s individual-sensuous existence and his species-existence has been abolished.

The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.”

Rather than being exemplars of what the universalist-humanist, itinerant, rabble-rousing rabbi allegedly taught over two millennia ago, Evangelicals are more an example of what Marx wrote 170 years ago in “On the Jewish Question” as Christians having become Jews.

Whether Evengelicals, Wall Streeters, and CEOs realize (many do, no doubt), they are the personification of what Marx understood nearly two centuries ago.

Marxian Evangelicals and corporate-statist fascists of the world, unite! 😀

Kenz300 on Sun, 23rd Aug 2015 3:57 am 



The RepubliCON party is the party of WAR and war profits for selective businesses. Cheney and Halliburton are just one example.

Boat on Sun, 23rd Aug 2015 10:00 am 



Kenz,
Then why did Obama roll out the Generals saying they could not be effective with the meager cuts from sequestration. Why did Obama mount a surge in Afghanistan costing lives and national treasure in a Bush type move that was not successful. The Dem’s under Obama rolled over on the military spending argument. It may be smart politically but it also hypocritical to blame only the Rep’s. Feel the burn lol

BC on Sun, 23rd Aug 2015 12:52 pm 



Obummer/Obomba is working for the same people as did Dumbya, Slick, Daddy Bush, Ronnie, Jimmy, Jerry, Tricky Dick, and LBJ: the Power Elite top 0.001% owners of the Anglo-American, militarist-imperialist, rentier-socialist corporate-state.

Economics is politics. War is the extension of the political objectives of the state with other means. War is the business of empire, and war is good business (for imperialists).

Ergo, economics is politics is the rationalization for the projection of state violence to achieve territorial expansion, expropriation of resources and labor product for profits, establish and secure shipping lands, and to capture markets for goods and service and for imperial tribute from client-states.

Imperial realpolitik.

The POTUS is the CEO of the Anglo-American, militarist-imperialist, rentier-socialist corporate-state. He, she, or s/he is vetted and appointed by the Power Elite owners of the corporate-state. Any power the POTUS has is conferred by the Power Elite who can take down the POTUS or anyone in his cabinet any time they choose and for whatever reason.

The Fed’s primary function is to provide bank reserves to the TBTE bankster oligarchs that they determined, not the FOMC, and run political cover for the banksters’ license to steal the world blind and broke.

Unless one has a secure income of AT LEAST $150,000-$350,000/year and a net wealth of AT LEAST $3M-$5M (not counting residential real estate equity), one is a working-class peasant, not bourgeois “middle class”, and thus one has “no representation without taxation” at the state and federal levels.

Therefore, the empire is far too large to successfully govern, but the Power Elite know this well, which is why they govern and run the empire for the top 0.001-1%, not the masses. Duh!

Once one internalizes this and observes the predictable outcomes of the situation over time, virtually all of the major historical events for centuries flow with this evolving narrative.

Were there to be a r-evolution, which is unlikely but not impossible, it would have to occur among the bourgeois, professional-middle-class intellectuals, scientists, engineers, military officer caste, and so on, those who would lose faith in the rule by the rentier-socialist Power Elite top 0.001%, Wall St. and TBTE bankster oligarchs, and the CEO managerial caste of hired guns.

I’m not holding my breath.

Boat on Sun, 23rd Aug 2015 1:30 pm 



BC,
Before we can have a discussion about conflict politics we would have to define war. For example the US is not involved in a war now IMO.

Therefore, the empire is far too large to successfully govern, but the Power Elite know this well, which is why they govern and run the empire for the top 0.001-1%

I don’t believe in any of that. That is just some canned conspiracy theory.

Lots of successful governed nations led by free trade allies.

While the rich do have an advantage with access to political figures most of the rich compete with each other in the political field and business field. This is why one group will not hold to much power. Conflicting priorities is a good healthy business environment where the most efficient and cheapest products will win and change the politics. Even the elite cant change this.

There is no revolution coming except where religion or dictators rule and do not make trade and tech their priority. Even those societies are slowly changing.

MrNoItAll on Sun, 23rd Aug 2015 1:34 pm 



“Any power the POTUS has is conferred by the Power Elite who can take down the POTUS or anyone in his cabinet any time they choose and for whatever reason.”

That fact is both too complicated and too threatening for most people. Therefore, they deny it and will never, ever put in the intellectual effort required to get a grasp of that reality. They simply can’t deal with it, so they don’t.

Boat on Sun, 23rd Aug 2015 2:02 pm 



Silly argument. And not complicated. Just BAU since we took on the English and formed a government.

BC on Sun, 23rd Aug 2015 5:29 pm 



Boat, your view is charming, but it does not stand up to realpolitik.

The US is involved in proxy wars around the globe. The Anglo-American imperial military is rather quietly building up a military presence/commond and supply infrastructure in Africa to eventually take on, and expel, China from the dark continent and from the western hemisphere. The “Pivot to Asia” is a long-term strategic plan to contain China in the Pacific and in Central Asia and the Middle East.

“The rich” who have the real power we rarely, if ever, see, and their motives, values, actions are not held to scrutiny other than among themselves. Buffett, Gates, techie and hedgie gazillionaires, and the like have financial or commercial power within their industries, but their larger economic, political, and geopolitical power is limited when compared to the infinitesimally small few who have the real power.

And it’s not a “conspiracy”; it’s self-interest, self-preservation, will to power, and plain ol’ human ape nature.

Too often the so-called “canned conspiracy theory” is challenged by “canned Establishment consensus” memes to which the masses are subjected and incessantly conditioned to internalize countless times per day in various forms via advertising, marketing narratives, political mass-media messaging, and corporate PR.

Makati1 on Sun, 23rd Aug 2015 7:32 pm 



In today’s news:
“Yesterday, Friday, August 21, 2015 in the early hours, Damascus time, an Israeli US made F-16 fighter-bomber, flew into Syrian airspace brazenly and fired at Brigade 68 and, then, turned and flew back toward Brigade 90 in Qunaytra in order to insure a safe landing in occupied Palestine if the aircraft was struck. It was struck. An SA-9 from the Iftiraas Air Defense Base and an SA-2 near the Khalkhaala AB were fired. But, the technical wizardry was most on display when an S-300 (SA-10 “Grumble) super-air-defense missile was fired from the Republican Guard base near the Mazza AB at the foot of Qaasiyoon Mountain west of Damascus. This was done so that the F-16’s electronic countermeasures would first fix on the SA-2 and SA-9 while the S-300 plowed forward to exterminate the vermin inside the Israeli aircraft. The S-300 vaporized the Israeli bomber. No evidence was seen of the pilot ejecting. Instead, eyewitness accounts described a ball of fire over the Golan and the remains scattering into the air over the Huleh Valley in Palestine.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-shoots-down-israeli-warplane-f-16-bomber-and-helicopters/5471009

And the S400 is even better, with the S500 to come soon.

Apneaman on Sun, 23rd Aug 2015 8:13 pm 



No big whoop Mak, the US tax payer will just buy them another fighter jet. Uncle Sam/Joe Six-pack has deep pockets.

U.S. foreign aid to Israel: 2014 congressional report

” Since it was founded in 1948, Israel has become the largest single recipient of U.S foreign assistance — a total of $121 billion, almost all of which has been in the form of military assistance. ”

http://journalistsresource.org/studies/international/foreign-policy/u-s-foreign-aid-to-israel-2014-congressional-report

Makati1 on Sun, 23rd Aug 2015 9:43 pm 



True, Ap, but at least Israel has one less trained pilot.