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Trump says ‘nobody really knows’ if climate change is real
President-elect Donald Trump said Sunday that “nobody really knows” whether climate change is real and that he is “studying” whether the United States should withdraw from the global warming agreement struck in Paris a year ago.
In an interview with “Fox News Sunday” host Chris Wallace, Trump said he’s “very open-minded” on whether climate change is underway but has serious concerns about how President Obama’s efforts to cut carbon emissions have undercut America’s global competitiveness.
“I’m still open-minded. Nobody really knows,” Trump said. “Look, I’m somebody that gets it, and nobody really knows. It’s not something that’s so hard and fast. I do know this: Other countries are eating our lunch.”
During the presidential campaign, Trump referred to climate change as a “hoax” perpetrated by the Chinese, a comment he later described as a joke. But during a town hall in New Hampshire, he also mocked the idea of global warming. At that event, Meghan Andrade, a volunteer for the League of Conservation Voters, asked Trump what he would do to address the issue, to which he replied: “Let me ask you this — take it easy, fellas — how many people here believe in global warming? Do you believe in global warming?”
After asking three times “Who believes in global warming?” and soliciting a show of hands, Trump concluded that “nobody” believed climate change was underway except for Andrade.
During Sunday’s interview with Wallace, Trump said he needed to balance any environmental regulation against the fact that manufacturers and other businesses in China and elsewhere are able to operate without the kind of restrictions faced by their U.S. competitors.
“If you look at what — I could name country after country. You look at what’s happening in Mexico, where our people are just — plants are being built, and they don’t wait 10 years to get an approval to build a plant, okay?” he said. “They build it like the following day or the following week. We can’t let all of these permits that take forever to get stop our jobs.”
The New York businessman made the same critique of the Environmental Protection Agency, to which he has nominated Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt — a climate change skeptic — as the head. Wallace asked whether he was “going to take a wrecking ball to the Obama legacy,” to which Trump replied, “No. No. No. I don’t want to do that at all. I just want what’s right.”
“EPA, you can’t get things approved. I mean, people are waiting in line for 15 years before they get rejected, okay? ” he said. “That’s why people don’t want to invest in this country.”
It is unclear which permit application Trump was referring to, but he has repeatedly criticized EPA rules. And though he has given mixed signals on whether he would back out of the United States’ voluntary commitments under the Paris climate agreement, it would take several years for the next administration to withdraw now that the agreement has entered into force.
At the urging of daughter Ivanka, Trump has met in the past week with former vice president Al Gore and actor Leonardo DiCaprio, both environmental activists. Trump described the sessions as “good meetings” but did not elaborate.
60 Comments on "Trump says ‘nobody really knows’ if climate change is real"
Apneaman on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 7:08 pm
2016 Southeastern United States wildfires
“As of December 8, even after rain, much of Georgia and Alabama continued to be in exceptional drought, while Tennessee and the western Carolinas were in extreme drought.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Southeastern_United_States_wildfires
“The humid Southeast isn’t supposed to be prime fire territory. “Wildfires in the southeastern United States are usually small and do not produce much smoke,” writes NASA’s Earth Observatory, which has been publishing images of the fire all month. But these fires are something else entirely: Reports of unprecedented, raging blazes in places like Gatlinburg, Tennessee, are nothing short of terrifying.”
“This year, scores of weather stations throughout the South recorded record-breaking temperatures. Adding a huge drought and high-speed winds to the mix has made the region particularly vulnerable to fire.”
” As climate change pushes record-high temperatures higher and higher and extreme weather events become more common, the conditions that support fires in the Southeast could get even worse.”
http://www.popsci.com/why-wildfires-are-ravaging-southeast-this-fall
makati1 on Mon, 12th Dec 2016 7:47 pm
Ap, Maybe Clog is just sorry he didn’t die before his future fell apart. His little country is being swallowed up by the big, bad world he helped create, and he is scarred shitless that he might live long enough to see the end of the West. Certainly the end of the world he has known.
solarity on Tue, 13th Dec 2016 1:00 pm
The world climate is in flux: ongoing change and continuous ebb and flow. Yes the world is tending warmer since both the last ice age (~10,000 BC) and the mini-ice age of the 17th century. These are indisputable facts that everyone agrees upon.
The hoaxes are: alarm-ism and effects of human intervention. Is global warming being caused by man? No one knows. Human efforts to curtail global warming, if possible, may be beneficial. But more likely, and as frequently happens when man attempts to control nature, such endeavor will probably cause more harm. Can man control the climate? Probably not.
Why is it that people who view religious zealotry as arcane gibberish, are the primary cabalists of climate alarm-ism?
GregT on Tue, 13th Dec 2016 1:50 pm
“Why is it that people who view religious zealotry as arcane gibberish, are the primary cabalists of climate alarm-ism?”
Because 150 years worth of scientific projections have now become observations. No one has ever observed God.
Midnight Oil on Tue, 13th Dec 2016 2:12 pm
Every world science academy is being hoaxed!
Yes sure, Basic Physics and Chemistry is fooling those poor souls…how about that!
Not one single science academy on the entire planet disputes the conclusions of the IPCC
During 2013 and 2014, only 4 of 69,406 authors of peer-reviewed articles on global warming, 0.0058% or 1 in 17,352, rejected AGW.
http://www.jamespowell.org/ind…
Suppose we are all just relax and chill!
Sissyfuss on Tue, 13th Dec 2016 4:48 pm
I observed him once, Model T Greg. It was at 12,000 ft in the Rockies on some really good Jamaican. Might have been a goat though.
solarity on Tue, 13th Dec 2016 7:27 pm
“150 years worth of scientific projections…”
Wow! Do you really believe climate scientists were making accurate projections before Mendelev defined the Periodic Table.
I Doubt it.
Apneaman on Tue, 13th Dec 2016 8:45 pm
solarity, what is your doubt based on? Let me guess – your “feelings”? You just “know”? Amazing how so many unlearned no nothing lazy retards think they “know” things. I never doubt when it comes to scientific claims. Either the evidence is there and it’s robust or it’s not or it’s not enough. In that case, I reserve judgement until there is enough evidence to be convincing or convincing evidence disproves it. AGW has as much or more evidence as the theory of gravity and it goes back further than 150 years.
The History of Climate Science
“The fact that carbon dioxide is a ‘greenhouse gas’ – a gas that prevents a certain amount of heat radiation escaping back to space and thus maintains a generally warm climate on Earth, goes back to an idea that was first conceived, though not specifically with respect to CO2, nearly 200 years ago.”
https://skepticalscience.com/history-climate-science.html
History of climate change science
The history of the scientific discovery of climate change began in the early 19th century when ice ages and other natural changes in paleoclimate were first suspected and the natural greenhouse effect first identified. In the late 19th century, scientists first argued that human emissions of greenhouse gases could change the climate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_climate_change_science
Midnight Oil on Tue, 13th Dec 2016 8:58 pm
Ap…this one …solitary..TROLL..ignore
Davy on Wed, 14th Dec 2016 6:21 am
OK, who knows about global warming because we are not smart enough to know the climate fully? There may be forces at work beyond our understanding. So saying the world is warming or cooling requires science and science has limits. That said, saying what humans are doing is not causing something is just wrong. In fact it is wrong to a degree that is existentially wrong and dangerously morally reprehensible. This is at both the species and individual level. This going to the very top of our so called world leadership and a reason we deserve to end as a civilization. If we cannot take responsibility for our actions then we do not have sapience. We are not higher level human we are instead on a level of the beast but worse being a monster of capability and intent. We do not have the moral right to science and industry if we do not have sapience to choose properly per the “Ecos”.
Anyone who thinks man is not causing something from these actions at the civilizational level of 7BIL industrialized and destructive mammals tearing and ripping apart the earth and destroying one ecosystem after another is in wanton gluttony of spirit and avarice of desire. We have evolved into a delusional and sub human species. Of course we are destroying the world at all levels including our own humanity. We are breading out our humanity and breading in qualities akin to our worst fears and fantasy of monsters of evil. We are becoming the art we portray from evil places like Hollywood. We worship these artist that are killing us. How does Hollywood relate to climate? It shows we have a social narrative of exceptionalism that embraces destructive behavior and that behavior is rewarded with interest and support. Our culture has embraced the worst of what is human. Combine this destructive behavior with an order of magnitude too many humans out of balance with an earth system and you have the open door to extinction and a destroyed planet.
Climate disruption is real, it is human, and we are the cause at a level of sapience. This level of sapience means we are playing with something we should not be playing with. We are claiming we are rational when the reality is our reason is demonstrating itself to be a mechanization of extinction. We are dirty, dangerous, and a malignant species engaged in the wanton destruction of a beautiful planet for reasons of individual comfort and curiosity. If we were truly wise we would be living diametrically different. This extreme damnation is directed to those who think humans are exceptional and not responsible for what is going on in the world today. This includes most of the global leadership and those our culture elevates to greatness.
That said there are many who on a personal level would like to do something but can’t. Life has created a situation we are trapped in. If we try to do what is right and that goes against the status quo then you are crushed into poverty. No one want to put their friends and family into poverty. One of the most important things we can do personally as humans is recognize species blame and the sins of hubris that humans now embody at the level of civilization. The very core of our civilization is infected and as such it is necessary it must end. It will end not because of our own judgment but the judgment of nature. At a higher level there is no judgment. Nature is following its path of development and as such it is “the Isness of life”. This “Isness” is growth and devolution in a process of evolution and extinction as the core life property dwelling within geologic acquiescence. We are the point where life reflects on itself in dualism and it is that dualism that is a tool of nature’s destruction. Large self-reflecting brains will destroy life and we are proof.