China Shows Off Military Might in Grand Parade

40 Comments on "China Shows Off Military Might in Grand Parade"

Plantagenet on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 8:52 pm 



I watched part of this live on the BBC here in Delhi. China for the first time displayed its “carrier killer” missiles—- mobile missiles designed to take out U.S. Aircraft carriers

Boat on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 9:26 pm 



Wonders if they have seen the rail gun.

Makati1 on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 10:35 pm 



Boat, the rail gun is history. The idea was tried decades ago and failed.

I read an article on the parade that stated that the Empire’s navy is not safe as far out as Guam, 1,800 miles from the Chinese mainland, because China has carrier killer missiles that can reach that far.

“…Though the DF-26 has been dubbed the “Guam Killer” by some Western analysts, the announcement during the parade that the missile also had anti-ship capabilities came as a chill to some analysts … “That is important because it would enable China to damage or disable Andersen AFB [Air Force Base] in a war without resorting to use of nuclear weapons.”… Furthermore, the parade announcer said, the DF-26 was able to hit medium and large size ships.”

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/naval/2015/09/03/chinas-parade-puts-us-navy-notice/71632918/

Containment? What containment? The Empire is a paper tiger unless it uses it’s nukes and then it is a dead tiger.

GregT on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 11:18 pm 



“I watched part of this live on the BBC here in Delhi.’

You’re in India planter? I’m sure that nobody here knew that.

GregT on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 11:51 pm 



“Wonders if they have seen the rail gun.”

They don’t need to “see” the rail gun Boat, in order to get a target lock on it.

Plantagenet on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 11:57 pm 



Hi Greg

Yes, I’m in Delhi now. Thanks for asking

And you’re in Canada somewhere? Where do you hang out in Canada anyway?

Cheers!

GregT on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 12:19 am 



You are fascinating creature planter. Psychologists would have a heyday with you.

How do you like India?

Truth Has A Liberal Bias on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 12:31 am 



The DF 26 is quite a counter move to the U.S. Navy Carrier Strike Group. It posses a multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle payload (one ballistic missle gets launched but several warheads breakaway during flight and each is capable of aiming for its own target). Launched in volleys these missiles will quickly make cannon fodder of any naval formation within 4000km. Carrier Strike Groups are the principle element of U.S. Power projection capability. The air wing within the CSG provides the primary offensive fire power. Without the carrier there is no air wing. The DF 26 is mobile and therefor is not as easy to locate and counter target when compared to fixed systems. This is a game changer. Combined with developments in Chinese naval submarine vessels I’d say the USA’s days of global hedgemonic power are numbered.

Truth Has A Liberal Bias on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 12:55 am 



BTW- The nickname ‘Guam Killer’ is obviously a misunderstanding because China has had the capability to ‘kill’ Guam for many decades with other ballistic missiles, but it is the first ballistic missile that is capable of targeting Guam with conventional warheads. It’s also worth noting that North Korea has ballistic missiles capable of hitting California. It’s preferable to me that if they do decide to strike California that they do it during one of your music video awards shows.

MrNoItAll on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 1:22 am 



China will be lucky if it doesn’t self destruct in the next twelve months. It is no coincidence that China sent part of its pathetic Navy off the coast of Alaska to coincide with this nationalistic display of Chinese military power. The desperate Chinese leadership is taking this opportunity to rev up nationalistic militaristic sentiment, all the better to use fear and threat of war to subdue their restless and rebellion-minded populace. China does a really good job of hiding the disintegration within its own borders, but not good enough. The truth is leaking out, and objective outside observers recognize that China is in the process of disintegrating from within. China’s greatest enemy is not America, it is itself. Problem is, as China self-destructs, it takes the rest of the world down with it, which was bound to happen anyway.

MrNoItAll on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 1:32 am 



“You are fascinating creature planter.”

Let’s amend that to “morbidly fascinating”. Whether purposely or not, Plant reeks of morbid fascination, a creature so grotesque and disgusting that normal folk can only gape in bewildered awe. Truly, one of a kind.

Plant, are you getting a little of that young Indian putang at the local brothels that service the hordes of sex tourists visiting India yearly? Knowing you, one can only wonder at your motivation for visiting such a destitute and rapist locale. I look forward to your blistering denial.

joe on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 1:34 am 



Isn’t this missile good news? Now all we have to do is fill all armies everywhere with AI and robots, and nobody has to die in war again. (SARCASM)
We could link them up to our Xboxes (YEAH!).

joe on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 1:40 am 



God has a bighillion asteroids within range of Earth. I wonder who would win in a fight? There is always a bigger fish.
Que Sera Sera.
Am I the only guy not worried?

Truth Has A Liberal Bias on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 2:18 am 



So the way MrNoItAll (it’s actually spelt know it all you retard) tells it only “the west” is allowed to celebrate the victory over Japanese fascism and Nazism. When Russia does it — as in the May 9 parade in Moscow — or China does it this past Thursday in Beijing, they are branded as “militaristic” and “nationalistic”. Another truly marvellous example of typical ‘merikan intellect, and I use that word lightly, in action. USA is truly a ghetto of sentimentality and ignorance. The American McDream is dead.

apneaman on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 2:38 am 



planty, we hang out in our igloo’s repairing our dog team harnesses and snowshoes while eating back bacon and guzzling Labatt Blue and Molson Canadian.

GregT on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 3:55 am 



“So the way MrNoItAll (it’s actually spelt know it all you retard)’

Actually, it is spelled (not spelt) however MrNoITAll wants to spell it. It is a moniker you fucking idiot. Spelt is a species of wheat, and has nothing at all what-so-ever to do with anything that you are too clueless to understand. Moron.

GregT on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 4:42 am 



NWR,

Planter is a elementary school teacher in Alaska, and he is a she.

Davy on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 6:12 am 



“Not True” from Montreal said “I’d say the USA’s days of global hedgemonic power are numbered.” People here want to thump their chest and scream like Braveheart how bad the US is and how it is going to get a thumping by China and Russia. People like the “Not true” from Montreal don’t understand force projection. Tell me this anti-Americans why is China building a carrier force? Because nothing projects global power like them. Sure China may want to take out the US Navy. The US may want to take out the entire PLA military capability. You guys are just uptight frustrated anti-Americans that can’t stand the reality of how strong the US military is. Right or wrong it still is a reality.

P.S. “Not true” from Montreal. Try working on your English hedgemonic should be hegemonic.

Davy on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 6:15 am 



MR, good job of exposing the truth about China and the equally sobering truth for the world that a collapsing China will destroy the global system just as the collapse of the US will. There is no decouple and no reversibility. We are on the ship headed into the abyss with no return just a destination at a new world of less consumption and less people.

Davy on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 6:24 am 



“Not True” from Montreal the gaudy ex-commi military parades are an example of just what we don’t need in the world currently and that is militarism on display in nationalistic hubris the US included. You anti-Americans want to thump your chests when the US flag waives but God forbid don’t complain when China and Russia does it. In fact you guys want to crow how powerful they are because your simpleton minds are amazed with gaudy parades. You think that is real power projection when it is in reality a choreographed cheerleading parade. The US seldom does gaudy displays of military power because they don’t have to they are already “Top Dog”

Boat on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 8:11 am 



Projecting power is one thing but all parades should end with coffins to remind people what happens when leaders fail to work out solutions.

Makati1 on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 9:00 am 



Boat, the Empire doesn’t think about solutions. That would mean the end of itself. The real solution.

ghung on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 9:12 am 



Mak: “…the Empire doesn’t think about solutions.”

Gosh, Mak, even your beloved Chinese empire?

MrNoItAll on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 9:48 am 



GregT — Interesting info on the morbidly fascinating character of which we speak. I’ve heard/read those rumors here of course, but couldn’t reconcile the utter stupidity and both social and logical ineptness with my mental image of an elementary grade school teacher, most of whom I admired and sometimes had a crush on. Really? That’s sick… Maybe she’s hoping to get the rape treatment in India that is so prevalent and by so doing finally “get laid”. Sorry for the sleazy speculation on my part — Plant brings it out in me.

And thanks for handling my retort to Truth Has A Liberal Bias, who obviously is too dense to get my intended meaning of “No It All” versus “Know It All” which I certainly don’t claim. But I do claim to “No” it all!! What person in their right mind wouldn’t? And of course Truth Has A Deficient Brain isn’t clever enough to get the play on words either. Too many stupid people on this planet all made possible by the excess energy provided by oil and other fossil fuels, I’m sure you agree. Let’s be patient, their days are numbered, Mother Nature is going to handle this for us.

MrNoItAll on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 9:53 am 



Hey Truth — America doesn’t need to put on big flashy military parades or send warships off of China’s coast to drum of war fever. America just bombs the shit of whoever is the target of the day, and sends commando teams around the world to take out those deemed to be trouble makers. In other words, when it comes to WAR, China is all show and talk, but America is busy walking the talk.

Davy on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 10:11 am 



There you go MR! Chinese are American war pig wanna’bee’s and I will throw in “Putin has a short guy complex” for good measure. Wave the flag Americans we are the greatest war pigs of all time!

MrNoItAll on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 10:16 am 



Davy — You and I both clearly see China disintegrating before our very eyes. Pure logic and evaluation of facts absent all the emotional and dysfunctional hype that warps so many others’ opinions on this forum is all that is required to see the truth of the matter. But of course, when I say that China is self destructing, I do not intend to imply that America and most other nations are not also engaged in self-destruction. Just, that China is the tip of the spear in the worldwide orgy of self-destruction is rapidly picking up pace. The weakest will fall, the periphery will crumble, leaving only the strongest to finally be the last to fall. Kind of like the biggest turd being the last to swirl down the drain, to use another meaningful metaphor.

I hope and trust that you’re urgently wrapping up preparations. I hope the same for you GregT. I’m sure you guys are very busy these days, as am I.

I recently completed a massive project of reinforcing my rain capture water tank with concrete — no more bulging at the seams for that tank I’m certain of that. This long weekend I’m going to paint and double-coat that tank, my compost station and my chicken coup. I harvest a major crop of maze/corn, spent a few hours shucking it all and hanging it to dry yesterday — a few hundred ears of corn, about half a cup of corn flour per ear, with about one cup of corn flour making a nice size batch of cornbread (with honey added for flavor) — that’s a pretty good haul and a lot of “food security”. Also, even though my potato harvest was far better than last year, it still wasn’t anywhere near as good as it will be next year after I get my 15 cubic yards of quality top soil delivered and I put that in all my recently raised-by-four-inch 1200 square feet of raised planters. Still, I have 35 gallons of potatoes in the “root cellar” where they’ll preserve just fine for almost a year, another 10 gallons or so stacked on shelves in the garage, which we’re eating regularly. In two weeks, once the weather turns warm again (according to the forecast), I’m going to harvest my honey and I have 2 1/2 supers just packed with finished honey — I suspect I’ll get about five gallons of honey out of this harvest, give or take. All our garlic has been dried and pounded into garlic powder — enough to last a long long time. Still have about 100 onions left, preserved good enough in a dark corner of the garage, and we’ve been eating them steadily since the harvest. Pole Beans and tomatoes galore on the vine — now if it would just hurry up and get warm again, just one last one-week burst of warmth and we’ll get a great harvest. Still have about 20 jars of home-made blackberry jam canned, and probably a couple of gallons of wheat from my wheat harvest, which I won’t be doing another one until I get substantially more area to grow in — not enough production to justify the space taken — potatoes or corn will produce much more in the same area. Anyway, I know you guys are busy and as you can see, so am I! I miss being able to put my 2 cents worth on this forum during the week, but hey, at least you guys and others here keep the conversation going and the ideas bouncing around — thanks for that. Have a great day!

penury on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 10:21 am 



When you have 180 plus bases in 139 plus nations you do not need military parades, you are on display 24/7. And yes there are coffins at the end, but they are of others not ours.

Davy on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 10:30 am 



MR, just so you don’t feel lonely in your toil I think about you when I am toiling the doomstead. Today luckily I am mowing fields in my airconditioned tractor. BTW I purchased a scythe for when my diesel tank is empty which according to Short is soon.

joe on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 10:52 am 



I guess we never heeded Eisenhowers warning. It’s because of that, the US thrusted itself into Vietnam. Iraq2 was a war crime in any meaningful sense, it was clearly an attempt to enforce PNAC idealism, that the crazies were merely a surface layer of millions of rational people aching for democracy, but as soon as they got the choice, they voted Islamist, they did that because while the authorities brought pain and torture, the Islamists have been bringing charity, warmth and support, all they ask is that you give unswerving loyalty to Islam, not dictators. Given such choices how many of you would endorse dictatorship? So the US and EU decide to try to put back the genie. They do it be accepting bad elections in North Africa and counter revolution in Egypt, as well as death and torture for moderates and shia Muslims in Oilistan. So what next?
They take communist revolutionary doctrine which the Baathists used to follow and simply change ‘communism’ to heaven, cadre to ‘jihadi’ and comrade to ‘brother’.
Didn’t see the Pope out kissing the ground in Ramadi when it would have made a difference, and that’s why we face this crisis today.
So what’s next? Who cares as long as the oil keeps flowing, right?
The party will last until the lamp goes out.
War is carried out to control oil, before it was cotton and coal, before then, it was the middle ages and 95% of people had to grow their own food to live, so war and religion meant really very little to people. It wasn’t until the emergence of oil during ww1 that places like the middle east began to disintegrate socially and the Turks began to turn on the minorities to keep itself in power and the great empires supported the extremists because before oil most people in Arabia didn’t care who was what religion, these problems were nursed and promoted by western powers and have never been challanged in any serious way. Because it’s better to have weak, hated, extremists in power who need imperial masters to stay in power so we can grow at 2% globally, forever, right?
Eisenhower warned us that to allow business interest to combine with military interests that the tail would wag the dog, and that’s exactly what’s happened. Trump is a pure form of what America is becoming. I read Kanye West wants to run in 2016. These are not statesmen they are more like puppets who will be controlled, while the masses get their faces stuffed with more corporate socialism. That is until gw and PO, spoil the party.

penury on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 12:07 pm 



Joe, I do believe you nailed it. Your explanation was excellent. I still recommend Gen Smedley Butler’s writings as a primer to understanding Ike’s message.

Davy on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 12:22 pm 



Joe & Pen, it is more significant then MIC. If only MIC were the issue. Basically the US has evolved into a lobbyist Industrial Complex. MIC is a sub membber of LIC. LIC is global and is dominated by the power of the 1%’ers

BobInget on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 12:25 pm 



“France Joins Former Proxy Clusterfuck”
(renamed WW/3 Clusterfuck)
(France is turning to Far Right politics of confrontation in reaction to Islamic militancy).

France is considering carrying out strikes against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) in Syria, French newspaper Le Monde reported on Saturday citing an anonymous “high-level source.”
President Francois Hollande will give a news conference on Monday to clarify the matter, but government officials are refusing to comment on the report yet.

The issue was allegedly discussed at a defense meeting with the president on Friday, and over the last few days unnamed top officials hinted to the French paper that the decision had been made.

Scorecard: USA, UK, FR, Israel, KSA want Assad dead. Russia, Iran are protecting Assad.

IS wants Assad dead, USA dead, UK, Israel dead, Russia dead, France dead, KSA alive.

I simply can’t wait for negotiations after IS gets its first nuclear weapons from Pakistan or North Korea.

BobInget on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 12:47 pm 



OT:
Manned fighter aircraft have been made redundant by robotic and remote controlled drones.

What use are nuclear weapons fighting IS ?

The first and last aircraft carriers have been built.

Regular folks, not uniformed military are suffering majority of deaths in current and future wars.

Twenty five million war and climate refugees sloshing about the world is not only tragic but ominous.

BobInget on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 1:09 pm 



CORRECTION!

I called WW/3 a ‘clusterfuck’. That’s incorrect.
The actual Pentagon Name; Ta Da

“Inherent Resolve”.. See, it’s not a real world war but only a ‘Resolve’. (involving 40 nations)

http://www.defense.gov/News/Special-Reports/0814_Inherent-Resolve

shooi dan tom on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 5:35 pm 



Leave China alone. It s a 3rd world
country trying to defend itself against
invasion from Britain, US, Japan, Russia, Portugal, Germany, France….by building the best weapon it CAN. China
is TRYING. It s doing the best it can.

We hear: Do the best you can. Do what
you can before asking white people for
help. Freedom is not free; you have to
fight to keep it. Work should set you
free?

Let s hear for China. They are doing
all the right things.

Davy on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 6:17 pm 



Shooi, China is killing her people and the world with out of control growth and you say leave that alone. Sorry ain’t happening.

onlooker on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 6:33 pm 



China is doing all the right things. Please. Imitating the US by making driving the national pastime, by creating millionaires and billionaires, by relentlessly polluting their country, by basically extolling the virtues of consumerism. If you wish to believe this fine but do not expect us to sit by while outrageous comments like this are uttered. No wonder some see NO hope.

Boat on Sun, 6th Sep 2015 3:25 am 



Davy, I think you forget the 48 million that starved in China in the 50’s. It’s hard to keep a government stable when your system clearly is not working for your people.

As China has become more educated they started and are working on making greener choices. This is very hard to do in China and the world for that matter. I do not fear China or it’s war machine. They know trade is the only thing that keeps them from the 50’s type famines.

Davy on Sun, 6th Sep 2015 7:06 am 



AHH, Boat it is you that have selective history musings. You are bought into an insane system confusing yourself there is a future. I am fully aware of the famines in China. You have not been here on this board long enough to know what I know or have said. You are an outspoken corn newbie. Hang around here long enough Boat and you will be a doomer. In the mean time you are fodder for the dooms to pounce on.