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Capitalism: The Nightmare

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The neoliberal, arch-capitalist era we inhabit is chock-full of statistics and stories that ought to send chills down the spines of any caring, morally sentient human. Nearly three-fourths (71 percent) of the world’s population is poor, living on $10 a day or less, and 11 percent (767 million people, including 385 million children) live in what the World Bank calls “extreme poverty” (less than a $1.90 a day). Meanwhile, Oxfam reliably reports that, surreal as it sounds, the world’s eight richest people possess among themselves as much wealth as the poorest half of the entire human race.

The United States, self-described homeland and headquarters of freedom and democracy, is no exception to the harshly unequal global reality. Six of the world’s eight most absurdly rich people are U.S. citizens: Bill Gates (whose net worth of $426 billion equals the wealth of 3.6 billion people), Warren Buffett (Berkshire Hathaway), Jeff Bezos (Amazon), Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook), Larry Ellison (Oracle) and Michael Bloomberg (former mayor of New York City). As Bernie Sanders said repeatedly on the campaign trail in 2016, the top 10th of the upper 1 percent in the U.S. has nearly as much wealth as the nation’s bottom 90 percent. Seven heirs of the Walton family’s Walmart fortune have among them a net worth equal to that of the nation’s poorest 40 percent. Half the U.S. population is poor or near-poor, and half lacks any savings.

Just over a fifth of the nation’s children, including more than a third of black and Native American children, live below the federal government’s notoriously inadequate poverty level, while parasitic financiers and other capitalist overlords enjoy unimaginable hyper-opulence. One in seven U.S. citizens relies on food banks in “the world’s richest country.” Many of them are in families with full-time wage-earners—a reflection of the fact that wages have stagnated even as U.S. labor productivity consistently has risen for more than four decades.

Failure by Design

These savage inequalities reflect government policy on behalf of “the 1 percent” (better, perhaps, to say “the 0.1 percent”). U.S. economic growth since the late 1970s has been unequally distributed, thanks to regressive policy choices that have served the rich and powerful at the expense of ordinary working people. As Joshua Bivens of the Economic Policy Institute showed in his important 2011 study, “Failure by Design,” the following interrelated, bipartisan and not-so-public policies across the long neoliberal era have brought us to a level of inequality that rivals the Gilded Age of the late 19th-century robber barons era. These policies include:

● Letting the value of the minimum wage be eroded by inflation.
● Slashing labor standards for overtime, safety and health.
● Tilting the laws governing union organizing and collective bargaining strongly in favor of employers.
● Weakening the social safety net.
● Privatizing public services.
● Accelerating the integration of the U.S. economy with the world economy without adequately protecting workers from global competition.
● Shredding government oversight of international trade, currency, investment and lending.
● Deregulating the financial sector and financial markets.
● Valuing low inflation over full employment and abandoning the latter as a worthy goal of fiscal and economic policy.

These policies increased poverty and suppressed wages at the bottom and concentrated wealth at the top. They culminated in the 2007-09 Great Recession, sparked by the bursting of a housing bubble that resulted from the deregulation of the financial sector and the reliance of millions of Americans on artificially inflated real estate values and soaring household debt to compensate for poor earnings.

After the crash, the government under both George W. Bush and Barack Obama bailed out the very financial predators who pushed the economy over the cliff. The Obama administration, populated by Goldman Sachs and Citigroup operatives, left the rest of us to wonder “Where’s our bailout?” as 95 percent of the nation’s new income went to the top 1 percent during his first term.

Ordinary Citizens Have No Influence Over Their Government

All of this and much more is contrary to technically irrelevant American public opinion. But so what? You don’t have to be a leftist to know that the United States’ political order is a corporate and financial plutocracy. Three years ago, liberal political scientists Martin Gilens of Princeton University and Benjamin Page of Northwestern University determined that the U.S. political system has functioned as an oligarchy over the past three-plus decades, in which wealthy elites and their corporations rule. As Gilens explained to the liberal online journal Talking Points Memo, “Ordinary citizens have virtually no influence over what their government does in the United States.”

Shock Profits

Most of this results from the normal, business-rule-as-usual operation of the American political process. Sometimes—as during “natural disasters” such as Hurricanes Katrina, Harvey and Irma—crisis moments allow wealthy interests to rack up huge profits almost overnight while much of the population is too shocked and distracted to respond. As Susan Zakin notes in the Los Angeles Review of Books, “Handing out billions for hurricane reconstruction will shore up [Donald] Trump’s faltering support on Wall Street and among major corporations profiting from a bonanza expected to top $100 billion.” Katrina provided precisely such a business opportunity to corporate America. So did the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

‘Isn’t It Beautiful?’

At the same time, Houston, for instance, is a much bigger scene of devastation than it would be but for business-rule-as-usual. The city was recklessly built up by and for elite financial and real estate interests and their governmental tools without the slightest concern for environmental sustainability and resilience. As Zakin notes:

[W]ithout a zoning code, [Houston is] a case study in urban sprawl. Houston was built on a dry (read: low-lying) lakebed that’s laced with bayous. The bayous are lined with concrete, steel and sheet metal, which is functional when it rains a little, but a contender for the luge event when it rains a lot, even in posh neighborhoods like River Oaks. Doing what it takes to prevent flooding, widening bayou channels, managing growth, putting in green space, might impede the only truly important flow: money. Houston’s city fathers have resisted any effort to plan for climate change, because, well, it doesn’t exist. As if that weren’t enough, parts of Houston are sinking, some as much as 2.2 inches a year.

It’s an epitome of the deadly “free market” chaos favored by arch-capitalist political actors such as the right-wing billionaire Charles Koch and his friend, the “libertarian” Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz. In his recent, widely read book, “Conscience of a Conservative,” Flake writes with fondness about the time he met the eminent neoliberal University of Chicago economist Milton Friedman:

We picked him up at the airport, and while we were driving to a suburb of Phoenix we went through what could only be described as suburban sprawl. Someone in the car with us, remarking on this landscape, said, ‘Man, it looks like there was no planning at all.’ Friedman just nodded his head and said, ‘Yes, isn’t it beautiful?’ … [I]t wasn’t government coercion that had brought it into being. It was the invisible hand of the free market. Planning requires control, control empowers government, and empowered government = disempowered individuals.

Houston is the “petro-metro,” a major capital of the petrochemical industry and home to numerous toxic waste sites. As a result, the city’s floodwaters are loaded with hazardous materials.

How beautiful.

The “free market” madness rolls on. Like the melting polar ice, which opens up new business opportunities for oil drilling and ship travel even as it reduces earth’s ability to reflect sunlight back into space, the devastation resulting from extreme weather is both a consequence of the rule of big corporations (the real masters of the “free market” since the early 20th century in the U.S.) and a perverse opportunity for quick corporate profits.

On Aug. 15, 10 days before Hurricane Harvey hit Texas, Donald Trump, himself a global real estate baron, wiped out an Obama-era executive order mandating that federal reconstruction grants take account of sea-level rise and related aspects of climate change.

Capitalist Climate-astrophe

Meanwhile, speaking of climate change, anthropogenic—really, capitalogenic—global warming threatens to turn the venerable popular struggle for a more equal distribution of wealth into a fight over the slicing up of a poisoned pie. The signs of climate catastrophe are unmistakable. Record-setting wildfires raged on the nation’s West Coast, and a devastating drought plagued much of the nation’s northern Great Plains as Houston was sunk in epic, chemically polluted flooding and Irma bore down on Florida. Like Hurricane Sandy (which filled New York City subway tunnels with storm surge on the eve of the 2012 elections), the Indian and Pakistani heat waves of 2015, Hurricane Katrina (2005), the Alberta, Canada, wildfires of 2016 and numerous other recent, lethal, meteorological episodes, this extreme weather is intensified by the spiking balminess of the planet.

The warming is fueled by capital-captive humanity’s excessive release of carbon dioxide resulting from the profit system’s rapacious extraction and burning of fossil fuels and its reliance on animal agriculture. Carbon accumulates in the atmosphere, trapping heat and melting the world’s glaciers and permafrost, which holds vast reserves of carbon-rich methane. As the ice caps retreat, less sunlight gets reflected back into space and more of it heats the planet toward a point where it becomes uninhabitable.

Extreme weather is just the tip of the melting iceberg. If not reversed, global warming will destroy the human species through famine, dehydration, overheating, disease and resource wars. It has us on the path to hell.

‘A Death Knell for the Species’

Trump has taken advantage of the nation’s plutocratic political dysfunction to become a kind of one-man ecological apocalypse. The fossil-fueled hurricanes, drought and wildfires of 2017 have hit the U.S. at a time when the White House is occupied by an openly ecocidal billionaire whose election rang what Noam Chomsky called an environmental “death knell for the species.” Trump has pulled the United States out of the moderate Paris climate accord. He has removed all references to climate change from federal websites and chose a fellow petro-capitalist climate change denier dedicated to crippling the Environmental Protection Agency to lead that department. Trump’s secretary of state is the former longtime CEO of Exxon Mobil Corp., history’s most powerful fossil fuel corporation—a company that buried and then organized propaganda against its own scientists’ warnings on carbon’s impact on the climate. Trump’s proposed budget calls for a 16 percent cut to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which monitors all things climate- and weather-related.

This is ecocidal petro-capitalist madness on steroids.

After Harvey nailed Houston and before Irma hit Florida, Trump held a chilling ecocidal rally in front of an oil refinery in North Dakota. He boasted of how he had exited the “job-killing” Paris agreement (“It was so bad”) and approved the planet-cooking and supposedly job-creating Dakota Access and Keystone XL pipelines.

“I also did Keystone,” Trump said. “You know about Keystone. Another other one, big one—big. First couple of days in office, those two—48,000 jobs.”

Trump said the White House was going to make North Dakota’s current terrible drought vanish because “we’re working hard on it and it’ll disappear. It will all go away.”

The president also asserted that the thousands of Americans who protested the Dakota Access pipeline within and beyond the Standing Rock Indian Reservation last year had no idea why they were against it.

It may have been his most absurd speech yet.

The System Is Working

Like so much else in U.S. government policy, Trump’s anti-environmental actions are contrary to majority-progressive public opinion. Who cares? It’s one more in a long line of examples showing that “We the People” are not sovereign in the failed, arch-plutocratic and militantly capitalist state that is the 21st century United States.

Many Americans find this difficult to process because they have been taught to foolishly conflate popular self-governance with capitalism—what the George W. Bush White House called “a single sustainable model for national success.”

This is a great lie. My old copy of Webster’s New Twentieth Century Dictionary defines capitalism as “the economic system in which all or most of the means of production and distribution … are privately owned and operated for profit, originally under fully competitive conditions: it has been generally characterized by a tendency toward concentration of wealth and, [in] its latter phase, by the growth of great corporations, increased government controls, etc.”

This definition does not mention any of the things routinely and inaccurately identified with capitalism in the dominant U.S. political and intellectual discourse: democracy, freedom, trade, job creation, growth and/or a “free market” that is characterized by widespread competition and/or little or no government interference. Capitalism is about profit for the owners of capital—period. They attain this through any number of means. The most damaging include:

● Seizing others’ land and materials.
● Slavery (the leading source of capital accumulation in the United States before it was outlawed in 1863–65).
● Firing workers or replacing them with technology.
● Undermining the value and power of labor by “de-skilling” workers by reducing the amount of knowledge and experience they need to do their jobs.
● Abject authoritarian tyranny in the workplace, where Marxist economist Richard Wolff reminds us that most working-age adults spend the majority of their waking hours.
● Outsourcing work to sections of the world economy with the lowest wages and the worst working conditions.
● Hiring and exploiting unprotected migrant workers.
● Slashing wages and benefits, or cheating workers out of them.
● Purely speculative investment.
● Forming monopolies and using them to raise prices.
● Dismantling competing firms, sectors and industries.
● Deadly pollution and perversion of the natural environment.
● Appropriating public assets.
● Military contracting and war production.
● Working to shape political and intellectual culture and policy in capital’s favor by funding political campaigns, hiring lobbyists, buying and controlling the media, manipulating public relations and propaganda, investing in the educational system, offering lucrative employment and other economic opportunities to policymakers and their families, holding key policymaking positions, and threatening to withdraw investment from places that don’t submit to capital’s rules while promising to invest in places that do.

When capitalism is understood for what it is really and only about—investor profit—there is nothing paradoxical about its failure to serve working people and the common good, much less the cause of democracy. If corporate and financial sector profits are high, the system is working for its architects and intended beneficiaries: capitalists. Its great corporations (now granted the legal protection of artificial personhood) are working precisely as they are supposed to under U.S. common law, which holds that (as Michigan’s Supreme Court ruled in Dodge v. Ford Motor Company in 1919), corporate “managers have a legal duty to put shareholders’ interests above all others and no legal authority to serve any other interests.”

The Growth Ideology

Environmental ruin lies at the heart of the system, intimately related back to class rule. As Le Monde’s former ecological editor Herve Kempf noted in his aptly titled 2007 book, “How the Rich Are Destroying the Earth,” the oligarchy sees the pursuit of material growth as “the solution to the social crisis,” the “sole means of fighting poverty and unemployment” and the “only means of getting societies to accept extreme inequalities without questioning them.”

“Growth,” Kempf explained, is meant to “allow the overall level of wealth to arise and consequently improve the lot of the poor without—and this part is never spelled out—any need to modify the distribution of wealth.”

Trump was channeling this deadly “growth ideology” in North Dakota. Sadly, growth on the current carbon-fueled capitalist model has put humanity—not to mention thousands of other sentient beings on earth—on the path to near-term (historically speaking) extinction. We are currently at 410 carbon parts per million in the atmosphere—60 ppm beyond what scientists identified as a hazardous point years ago. We are on pace for 500 ppm—a level that will destroy life on earth—by 2050, if not sooner.

‘Inclusive Capitalism’

“Capitalist democracy” is an oxymoron and a mirage. So is the curious notion of “inclusive capitalism”—a term taken up by the corporate right wing of the Democratic Party, including Hillary Clinton’s closest economic advisers, in 2015. This is the Orwellian name of a global “coalition” set up in 2014 by Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild for super-wealthy elites to advance a “caring capitalism” that “works better for the broad base of society.” Lady Rothschild’s Coalition for Inclusive Capitalism started with what former Rep. Cynthia McKinney described as “a Working Group comprised of such luminaries of social justice as Sir Evelyn de Rothschild of E.L. Rothschild [a financial firm owned by a family worth an estimated $2 trillion], Dominic Barton from McKinsey and Company [$1.3 billion], Ann Cairns [annual salary of $5 million] of MasterCard, Sir Sherard Cowper-Coles of HSBC, Paul Polman [paid 10 million euros in 2014] of Unilever, along with CEOs of various pension plans and philanthropic foundations, like the eponymous Ford and Rockefeller foundations.”

According to one British media report, the Coalition for Inclusive Capitalism’s opening conference boasted a “guest-list … estimated to hold one-third of the world’s investable assets, around £18tr [nearly $25 trillion].”

One of the coalition’s leading speakers and champions is the great arch-neoliberal, former U.S. President Bill Clinton (with a net worth of $80 million)—a right-wing Democrat who did every bit as much to advance the Wall Street “free market” and globalist agenda as Ronald Reagan.

‘We Must Make Our Choice’

One does not have to be a Marxist or other variety of radical to acknowledge basic differences and conflicts between capitalism and democracy. “Democracy and capitalism have very different beliefs about the proper distribution of power,” liberal economist Lester Thurow noted in the mid-1990s. “One [democracy] believes in a completely equal distribution of political power, ‘one man, one vote,’ while the other [capitalism] believes that it is the duty of the economically fit to drive the unfit out of business and into extinction. … To put it in its starkest form, capitalism is perfectly compatible with slavery. Democracy is not.”

More than being compatible with slavery and incompatible with democracy, U.S. capitalism arose largely on the basis of black slavery in the cotton-growing states (as historian Edward Baptist has shown in his prize-winning study, “The Half Has Never Been Told: Slavery and the Making of American Capitalism”) and is, in fact, quite militantly opposed to democracy.

“We must make our choice,” the late Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis is reputed to have said or written: “We may have democracy in this country, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we cannot have both.” This statement was unintentionally but fundamentally anti-capitalist. Consistent with the dictionary definition presented above, the brilliant, liberal, French economist Thomas Piketty has shown that capitalism has always been inexorably pulled like gravity toward the concentration of wealth into ever-fewer hands. In the U.S., as across the Western world, the tendency was briefly and partially reversed by the Great Depression and World War II, producing the long “middle class” Golden Age of 1945-1973. But that was an anomalous era, a consequence of epic economic collapse and two global wars. Capitalism has returned to its longue durée inegalitarian norm over the last four-plus decades.

And even before the onset of the neoliberal period, capitalism at its comparatively egalitarian and high-growth, post-WWII Keynesian best had already pushed livable ecology into crisis. It tipped the world into what leading earth scientists have designated a new geological era: The Anthropocene—a period when “human activities have become so pervasive and profound that they rival the great forces of Nature and are pushing the earth into planetary terra incognita … a less biologically diverse, less forested, much warmer, and probably wetter and stormier era.” The not-so-Golden Age brought what sociology professor John Bellamy Foster called “a qualitative transformation in the level of human destructiveness.” If this ecological destructiveness isn’t tamed very soon, nothing that progressives and the left care about is going to matter much: Who wants to turn a poisoned world upside down?

Can environmental catastrophe be averted under capitalism? Not likely. Shifting from fossil fuel reliance and other unsound environmental societal habits and practices—built-in obsolescence, mass consumerism and the endless pursuit of quantitative economic growth, accumulation and “cheap nature” resource appropriation—requires a level of coordinated social and public intervention so extreme that it is incompatible with continued capitalist control of the means of production, investment and distribution. It requires an empowerment of ordinary people and a radical rehabilitation of the concept of the natural and social commons—things that very likely cannot be attained under the continued rule of capital. Stark as American activist Joel Kovel’s formulation may sound, I suspect he is right: “The future will be eco-socialist, because without eco-socialism there will be no future.”

Common Dreams



148 Comments on "Capitalism: The Nightmare"

  1. Davy on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 6:45 am 

    Hey Ape, what I said about grehg goes for you but I admire you because you are honest about how much you hate Americans. I cannot fault honesty and you have proven your hate over the last 4 years.

  2. makati1 on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 6:55 am 

    Davy, Most Americans deserve what is coming if they are over 18, including you. MIC enablers are as bad as, or worse than, drug pushers to children.

    BTW: How are American children different from the hundreds of innocent children the US bombs almost daily in 3rd world countries? ZERO difference. Being American does NOT make them “special” or “indispensable” as you and they will soon fine out. It makes them a target for those who seek revenge. It makes America a target for the multi-millions whose lives the US has destroyed. Greg and I see the need for the ‘taking down’ of America one way or another. Maybe just by starvation or disease or weather or financial collapse or all four. We shall see.

  3. Hello on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 7:06 am 

    >>>> Davy, Most Americans deserve what is coming if they are over 18, including you

    Probably not. Probably MOST don’t deserve what you’re suggesting.

    Or maybe I didn’t understand your explanation. Can you explain again?

  4. makati1 on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 7:19 am 

    Hello, anyone who is able to rebel is guilty. If they just suck at the government teat and ignore what the government is doing in their name, they are guilty.

    Like knowing that someone committed a murder and not reporting them to the law. It’s called ‘guilt by association’ and, if the guilty are caught and it comes out that you knew about it, you too are sentenced.

    Americans are guilty by association. To do nothing is to cover up the crime. And the Us is committing multiple crimes every day in your name. When the payback happens,(and it will), Americans have no claim to innocence. Their families will just be “collateral damage”.

    There are about 1.5 billion people in the Western world. There are about six billion plus in the rest. Those six billion are going to cheer when the West goes down.

  5. Hello on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 7:28 am 

    >>>> There are about six billion plus in the rest

    Yes, I know. Makes my sad. Especially because the West is the reason those 6 billion exist, by feeding them and providing medicine.

    Can you imagine if the 3rd world would be left alone, fending for themselves. My beloved europe wouldn’t have a negro/raghead/yellow skin invasion problem.

    So you drawing US social security benefits in order to live like a king in 3rd world hole. Explain to me again how this is not guilty.

  6. makati1 on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 7:36 am 

    Hello, now that is the most arrogant statement I have seen or heard in decades! The “rest of the world” was here long before the West was thought of and will be here long after the West is dust and forgotten. But, obviously, you are so brainwashed that you will never see that truth until it’s 2X4 smacks you down. So be it. You deserve the lesson.

  7. Davy on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 7:36 am 

    hello, bazinga! lol. I can’t add anything your above feed.

  8. makati1 on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 8:27 am 

    Hello, I cannot, and do not, live like a king on SS here. Not even close. I do invest in my future security and am as prepared as possible for what is to come. I have no need or desire to live like a greedy, arrogant American. I have invested in a half mile road that will open up a number of properties of my neighbors to the paved highway. That is already very much appreciated by all of them as it is not something they could ever afford to do. It is only one of the many things I can, and will, do to improve their lives. Like sponsoring their kids to college or helping with an emergency. THAT is part of my “Preps” and security. i do not fear my neighbors.

    As for my SS income, I consider it repayment for about 50 years of being forced to pay it and I expect to get ALL of it back, plus interest, before it too collapse’ in the near future. If you invest in a 401k, don’t you expect to get a return? LOL

  9. GregT on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 8:28 am 

    Your delusions are bordering on paranoia now Davy.

  10. Davy on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 9:49 am 

    grehg, i have you and mkat pegged perfectly.

  11. Davy on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 9:52 am 

    “As for my SS income, I consider it repayment for about 50 years of being forced to pay it and I expect to get ALL of it back, plus interest, before it too collapse’ in the near future. If you invest in a 401k, don’t you expect to get a return? LOL”

    You don’t deserve one dime makt. Your generation broke the bank. Your generation put us on the path of destruction. You need to be working not drawing money for nothing as you do now.

  12. GregT on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 10:44 am 

    “grehg, i have you and mkat pegged perfectly.”

    In your paranoid delusional mind Davy.

    You really are in dire need of psychiatric intervention.

  13. Davy on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 11:07 am 

    grehg, you prove my point with your lame response. You don’t even make an attempt at denying the obvious that you are a monster inside. This is made obvious by your constant support of the extremist Mkat who has made it clear he advocates mass US deaths as his final solution for the American problem.

  14. GregT on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 11:18 am 

    Makati is entitled to his opinions Davy, your childish outbreaks are not going to change his mind.

    As for myself, all of your accusations are nothing more than your own paranoid delusions.

    Get help.

  15. GregT on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 11:25 am 

    And thanks for pointing out the Deagle piece. I hadn’t heard that one before. It appears that the author is a member of the Rockefeller foundation. Leads me to think that these assholes might have some more tricks up their sleeves. Let’s hope not. They’ve already caused enough mayhem around the world as it is. In any event, I’ll be surprised if North America remains intact in another 8 years. One of the many reasons why I opted out.

  16. Hello on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 11:48 am 

    >>>>> I cannot, and do not, live like a king on SS here. Not even close.

    Wow. Are you telling me that in your 40 years of work you were so unproductive that your SS benfits are so meager that even 3rd world manila prices won’t let you live in style?

    You’re even more of a looser than I thought. No wonder you’re bitter at everybody who’s better off than a philipino subsistance farmer.

  17. GregT on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 12:00 pm 

    Hello,

    I believe that the word that so desperately alludes you is ‘loser’. Looser means not as tight.

  18. Hello on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 12:02 pm 

    Thanks Greg for the lecture. English not being my first language, I tend to make mistakes. But I hope not to make them twice. 🙂

  19. Davy on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 12:18 pm 

    grehg, I have a right to my opinion and to tell you your opinion means nothing to me. When your opinion and mkat’s opinion is negative towards me I have a right to return the negativity. That how life works grehg.

  20. GregT on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 12:20 pm 

    Hello,

    If you so desperately feel the need to call other people names, for their choices in life, that have no bearing whatsoever on your life, at least make an attempt to spell those personal attacks correctly. 🙂

  21. Davy on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 12:20 pm 

    Grehg, you and mkat have pushed deagel dot com in the past. Quit your games. You are being slimy again.

  22. GregT on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 12:29 pm 

    “When your opinion and mkat’s opinion is negative towards me I have a right to return the negativity.”

    My opinion is that you are in need of psychological help Davy. There is nothing negative about getting the help that you so obviously need. Your continued deterioration, OTOH, is negative, for nobody other than yourself.

  23. GregT on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 12:41 pm 

    “Grehg, you and mkat have pushed deagel dot com in the past.”

    More paranoid delusions. I have absolutely no say in what some American, whom I do not know, and have never met, posts on a website. He may, or may not be correct.

    Time will tell.

  24. Davy on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 1:30 pm 

    Grehg, funny I have an even worse opinion of you. You have personality issues professional help and medication can’t solve. You are just a slimy irritating pompous ass. I imagine you were born stuck up and now it has gone to your head since you house flipped and are sitting on a big money. You act as if you are better than everyone else and this is probably why you are so tight with Mkat. The best word for you is slimmy and a creep inside a respectable acting persona. You are the worst kind of personality which is the embodiment of a lie.

  25. Davy on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 1:33 pm 

    Greg, google previous posts on deagel. Our conversation comes up. Of course mkat is the one who did the post to start with. You weighed in on it as legit. I am working on fence now in the field or I would reference the comment.

  26. GregT on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 2:25 pm 

    OK Davy,

    Found it.

    makati1 on Tue, 6th Oct 2015 7:50 am

    This should stir up the old brain cells…lol
    http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx?pag=1&sort=GDP&ord=DESC
    Shows a collapse of Western countries in 2025 Vs 2014. Report dated today.
    Interesting!

    GregT on Tue, 6th Oct 2015 11:37 am

    “This should stir up the old brain cells”
    Thanks for the link Mak. Looks like us Canadians are in for a slightly bigger world of hurt than our good neighbours to the south. I don’t like it any more than the next person, but that is exactly the way I read things as well. No country is going to get through the coming bottleneck unscathed, but we in the west are in for an especially rude awakening.
    2025 or before? My timeline as well.

    Davy on Tue, 6th Oct 2015 1:07 pm

    Greg, no arguments man but the link does it stink? Thats all I am asking?

    GregT on Tue, 6th Oct 2015 1:39 pm

    “but the link does it stink?”
    I don’t think that it does Davy, unfortunately.

  27. GregT on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 2:32 pm 

    Forgot all about that link, but I still don’t think that it stinks Davy. Unfortunately.

    That in no way means that I am ‘pushing’ anything. And furthermore, Deagel also predicts a population reduction in Canada, of some 12 million people.

  28. Hello on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 2:44 pm 

    >>>>> Shows a collapse of Western countries in 2025 Vs 2014. Report dated today.

    Switzerland goes from 8M to 5M people. Wow. I hope this report is right. Would be a dream come true. Finally some space to breath again.

  29. Davy on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 2:44 pm 

    That’s why you stink grehg and why you are such a slimy person. China grows population and economy and the US is decimated. Shows how stupid you are about global reality lost in your anti-American agenda. If it were an acknowledgment of a global wide economic and population reduction I would agree but you are promoting the one sided kind which is not realistic considering global interconnectivity. It fits perfect your American hate doctrine.

  30. GregT on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 3:34 pm 

    More paranoid delusions Davy.

    China continues to grow economically at around 6.7% per annum. Both the U.S. and Canada are for all intents and purposes stagnant, despite every attempt by the central banks to prop up those two economies. China, Russia and many others are circumventing the USD for trade, and China continues to buy up everything around the globe that isn’t nailed down.

    I am not promoting anything, simply pointing out the facts. I have no control over the situation, and getting my shit all in a knot about it won’t make reality go away.

    As I have already mentioned numerous times before, we in the west have much farther to fall in this great leveling, and the vast majority of the population in North America would not survive without the current work, shop, consume, watch advertising on television lifestyle.

  31. GregT on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 3:46 pm 

    “Switzerland goes from 8M to 5M people. Wow. I hope this report is right. Would be a dream come true. Finally some space to breath again.”

    There is going to be a vast reduction in population numbers. Not a matter of if, but a matter of when. The longer we continue to somehow sustain the unsustainable, the larger the dieoff will be. An annoying little side effect of overshoot, and attempting to maintain infinite exponential growth in a finite environment.

  32. Davy on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 3:57 pm 

    Pointing out the facts of your American hate doctrine. I guess in your bright mind China’s economy will quicken its growth once the US is destroyed. Boy that’s some economic background you have. You then tell hello populations will drop everywhere but China (per your agreement with deagel). That is the problem with extreme agendas they cloud reality and distort thinking. You and mkat are real wingdingers to think your noble Asians will rise like Phoenix as the west is consumed in flames.

  33. Davy on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 4:06 pm 

    Oh, grehg, I think there is a central bank in China or is that different? Do you believe the numbers out of China or acknowledge systematic bad debt and a huge credit creation overhang. That probably blew right over your American hate doctrine mind.

  34. GregT on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 4:22 pm 

    “That probably blew right over your American hate doctrine mind.”

    I don’t hate America, or Americans. Why are you having such a difficult time getting that through your thick, paranoid, delusional, skull?

  35. Davy on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 4:31 pm 

    Grehg, that was a slimy response. The company you keep shows your real leanings. Your comments over 5 years shows your positions. You hate Americans except for the Americans who hate America. These are your best of friends and you protect them against any criticism warranted or not.

  36. Cloggie on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 5:53 pm 

    http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx?pag=1&sort=GDP&ord=DESC

    I’m thrilled to see that the Netherlands will be the only developed nation that will see its GDP grow; all for it.

    A small question remains though… how is it possible to have a declining population, growing GDP and a LOWER income per capita?

    Beats me.

  37. makati1 on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 6:23 pm 

    Guys, when you realize that the US Federal Reserve is NOT trying to save the US economy, it will all make sense. Ditto for the EU Central Bank. They are part of the plan to take down both areas. Probably Canada’s central bank is included in that plan. All you read about them trying to save capitalism is pure bullshit. The US Fed has done nothing but damage the US economy for the 104 years it has existed.

    One does not have to study economics to understand what is happening. Better you do not have the brainwashing that is taught in college. China does not have to grow to ‘takeover’ the world. It only has to survive the collapse, and it will. Gold will make that possible. Laugh if you like. The Chinese are not stupid. Neither are the Russians. Russia has the resources. China has the people and gold. Both want to see America taken down.

    Perhaps places like India and Bangladesh will suffer the most, but the rest of Asia is in good shape to survive and prosper, even though that fact upsets some here. Too bad. US propaganda paints a black picture for anyone who resists their domination, or haven’t you noticed over the last 17 years? Iraq. Libya. Iran. North Korea. Now Russia and China. And, even, the Philippines.

  38. GregT on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 6:41 pm 

    “The company you keep shows your real leanings.”

    You have no idea what company I keep Davy. You’ve never met me, my family, my friends, or likely one single person that I have ever known.
    More paranoid delusions.

    “Your comments over 5 years shows your positions.”

    I have made my position crystal clear to you, but you choose to make shit up in your delusional, sick, little mind.

    “You hate Americans except for the Americans who hate America.”

    I do not hate anybody, or anything. Hate is a useless human emotion.

    “These are your best of friends and you protect them against any criticism warranted or not.”

    My best friends live all over the world. Not a single one of them posts on PO.com.

    Get a grip on yourself Davy, before you self destruct. You’re losing your marbles.

  39. Davy on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 7:09 pm 

    You are slimy grehg so don’t expect any respect. Go whine to mkat and you guys can form a support group of disgraced anti-American wack jobs.

  40. makati1 on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 7:33 pm 

    GregT, Davy is not likely to last much longer. Stress is obvious in his posts. His BP is probably all over the place.

    If he is not writing some bloviating fluff piece, he is name calling and trying to put down anyone who sees his narrow world as delusion. If America has succeeded in anything these last few decades, it has be the sucess of its propaganda machine on Americans. If you have to keep telling your people that they live in a great country, It is a sure sign that it is not true.

  41. Boat on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 7:37 pm 

    mak,

    “One does not have to study economics to understand what is happening. Better you do not have the brainwashing that is taught in college. China does not have to grow to ‘takeover’ the world. It only has to survive the collapse, and it will. Gold will make that possible”.

    Can you produce links that show Chinas gold reserves compared to the world?

  42. Davy on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 7:57 pm 

    I have you and grehg pegged mkat. I am a constant irritant to your unrestrained hate and discontent. Too bad you can only wish me gone. Lol

  43. makati1 on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 8:05 pm 

    The Chinese are careful to not publish their gold holdings. It will be made clear that they hold much more than they report when the time comes for them to back the Yuan with gold. I have seen reports as high as 30,000 tons based on imports and mining over the last few decades. It would not surprise me if it were more. And many Chinese hold personal gold in many forms, coins, bars, and jewelry. The total for the country could easily exceed that amount.

    Ditto for India that also imports a lot of gold annually and much of that is also held by the people in the form of jewelry. Most of the non Western world values gold highly. Have you ever been to the gold souk in Dubai? I have. Many shops displaying so much gold that their widows gleam.

    https://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=C111US91118D20160510&p=gold+suk

    Guess we will have to wait and see what happens.

  44. makati1 on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 8:09 pm 

    “I have you and grehg pegged mkat.” Only in your twisted mind Davy. You are entertainment. Nothing more. Like watching the clowns at the circus. The main event in in the center ring and that is definitely NOT you.

  45. Davy on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 8:14 pm 

    Sure mkat, like being on your ignore list and most comment on list at the same time. Who is the clown..lol

  46. Davy on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 8:17 pm 

    Mkat, has the in on Chinese government policy. A little old man in a small room in Manila with grandios self feeling. What a joke.

  47. makati1 on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 8:36 pm 

    What ignore list, Davy? That ended a long time ago, or didn’t you notice? More fun to poke the Missouri mule. LOL

  48. makati1 on Mon, 25th Sep 2017 8:39 pm 

    Perhaps I have a closer view than you do there in the Police State overflowing with propaganda garbage? Perhaps I read more non US propaganda articles than you do? Perhaps I actually know more than you seem to think you do? That would not be difficult.

    Americans know very little about the real world. They are not allowed to. Better they argue about gender bending or skin color or ‘safe spaces’. LOL

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