Dmitry Orlov Peak Oil Lessons From The Soviet Union

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Plantagenet on Mon, 4th May 2015 1:55 pm 



The Soviet Union was never at peak oil.

The problem in the USSR had to do with bad economic policies and genocide and repression carried out by a totalitarian red fascist police state.

sugarseam on Mon, 4th May 2015 3:43 pm 



As always, you don’t appear to know what you’re talking about, Plant. Your Red Scare is showing, as is the case with most narrow-minded cons. “Red fascist.” What a laughable bastardization of language.

They showed us their underbelly after the Wall fell, and predatory capitalists went in and pilfered their country to the tune of hundreds of billions (Harvard Foundation, et al). The number of times that nation has offered an olive branch since Hiroshima only to have greedy Western fascists pull the rug out is hard to count. I’d wager it rivals the number of times you’ve typed “glut” in these forums.

You guys have been so disgustingly wrong about Russian intentions for so long, it’s really become a tired cliche at this point. But, well, I guess right wingers absolutely need a boogeyman to fear and hate at all times.

Rodster on Mon, 4th May 2015 5:31 pm 



“well, I guess right wingers absolutely need a boogeyman to fear and hate at all times.”

They gotta put those trillions of dollars they’ve spent on the military to work for them. That’s who’s really running the USSA (MIC+Banks).

anarky321 on Mon, 4th May 2015 9:06 pm 



oil production in the USSR fell but only AFTER the oil prices were slammed, the main cause for the breakup was that the economic system itself was a dead end, and the low oil prices just made that obvious and accelerated the inevitable

J-Gav on Tue, 5th May 2015 9:58 am 



Rodster – “MIC + Banks.” I’d add the MSM + thinktanks and foundations, without forgetting MNCs and Big this and Big that (Agro and Pharma readily come to mind)since they’re not really including in the MIC, having little or nothing to do with the military. At least that’s the way I interpret Eisenhower’s original warning, i.e. the “I” in MIC refers mainly to military-related industries.

J-Gav on Tue, 5th May 2015 10:37 am 



Sugar – Well, hardly surprising is it? I mean, what with the unrelenting progaganda campaigns over the last 60 years or so ‘n all …

There are some things a lot of people easily forget and others never do. Take WWII casualties (deaths, including civilian)- a few examples :

Germany – about 8 million
Japan – about 3 million
France – about 550,000
U.K. – about 450,000
U.S. – about 420,000
USSR – about 25,000,000 !!!!

… which is to say, around twice the toll of ALL the other countries cited above, including the ‘instigators’ of the conflict.

Yet, still today, though Russia is now allowed to come and bow its head low at D-Day commemorative ceremonies, the West continues to refuse to participate in the Kremlin’s ‘Victory over Nazis’ commemorations. (Hmmm, no wonder they’re perplexed by Western attitudes towards them, and no wonder they’re not particularly enthused by the idea of having neo-Nazis in positions of power on their south-western border, eh?)

Does that mean I concur with every stance taken by Mr Orlov? Not at all, but I still find him worth listening to.

We don’t need a ‘friend’ in Russia, we need a partner. If we can’t help foster the conditions for that partnership,I’m afraid the world is in for a world of pain.

Davy on Tue, 5th May 2015 11:11 am 



The Russians are great people but I would not be proud of their war years. Stalin killed many as well as the Nazi pigs. Russia treated their soldiers like pigs throwing them into battle with little care or worry for casualties. If the friggin Russian’s would have had their shit together they could have stopped Hitler in his tracks very early avoiding numerous deaths.

So I see a mixed bag. I admire the Russians but I detest the glowing praise people give Russia today like they are supper human. They are a mafia state with a population in decline. They are a basket case economy relying on oil which is slipping into the dustbin of history and Russia will follow.

I have no praise for the U.S. Because of the bogus WWII history we have been taught from childhood. The U.S. profited handsomely from all the suffering with relatively few deaths per the rewards.

Not criticizing you Gav. I am Russia biased as far as praise from numb nuts like Orlov. We need the Russians desperately as partners and vitally in avoiding global NUK war. The Russians deserve a place at any WWII ceremony for sure.

J-Gav on Tue, 5th May 2015 3:22 pm 



Exactly Davy. The idiotic (but effective) 1st Cold War made MAD (mutually assured destruction). The 2nd Cold War is still looking (but not very seriously) for a cushion, ie a similar guarantee against ultimate insanity. Needless to say, they haven’t found it yet.

But moving beyond the preceding considerations, the world should have a day to recognize a certain Vassili Arkhipov, who in 1962, during the Cuban missile crisis, almost single-handedly prevented a nuclear war. A Russian nuke-sub was near but not over the redline when the U.S. started dropping depth charges on them. The commander of his nuke submarine lost it and ordered him to push the button: he refused. Nobody even knows his name today. All heros must be ours? Of course, that’s not what history tells us ..

J-Gav on Tue, 5th May 2015 3:36 pm 



Davy – When I said “exactly,” I was referring to your “mixed bag” comment. Stalin had almost as many people killed in his own gulags or by famine in Ukraine as he sent to die facing the Nazis. That’s why Russia’s still underpopulated today. That doesn’t eliminate the fact that Russia’s sacrifice during WWII vastly surpassed anybody’ else’s – and they get no credit for it – because Stalin was a shitass.

Nikita Krushchev was no slouch either – had at least 15,000 Russian troops executed for lack of combative spirit (surpassing the self-inflicted bloodlust of French Maréchal Pétain during WWI). He did, however, later come to recognize the folly of his (and Stalin’s) ways.

Davy on Tue, 5th May 2015 3:56 pm 



Gav, I agree on the heroics and bravery of the Russian people. I admire Russia now for standing up to the U.S.

Putin is a great statesman. He is also a thief, lier, and a blue eyed devil. Anyone who is the richest politician and possibly the most richly connected person in the world got there by dishonesty and theft. Yet, what politician is any better.

I am biased against all the Brics but only in relation to the heaps of praise all the anti-Americans keep crowing about. The crowing of a glorious future with the demise of the U.S. Please don’t make me vomit folks.

In an objective sense we are all in this together some a little better than others and all at the mercy of Lady Luck. This is going to come down to being in the right position at the right time as far as who gains an edge. Even those gaining an edge are doomed eventually. It is just a numbers game with sands through an hourglass.

Apneaman on Tue, 5th May 2015 8:22 pm 



Russia unveils the Krasnodar — what it claims will be ‘the quietest submarine in the world’

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/russia-launches-what-it-claims-will-be-the-quietest-submarine-in-the-world

Davy on Wed, 6th May 2015 6:12 am 



Ape Man, you seen the new tank?

http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2015/05/05/armata-soviet-parade-t14/26915519/

Tanks are passe that is unless they want to maybe roll across Europe again.