dohboi wrote:"it delves into the issue of ownership especially of land"
Indeed. But in these circle apparently you can't even bring the subject up without certain people going absolutely nuts.
Besides P inviting some unspecified entity to have sex with me, I have also been compared to Hitler--good to see that Godwin's Law is still alive and well!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
dohboi wrote:You like that graphic, don't you! '-)
onlooker wrote:This is an interesting question because it delves into the issue of ownership especially of land and also the sustenance of the Earth. In ancient times, you could say all people owned Earth as the bounty of the Earth was theirs if they could attain it. They're was no ownership of land and of the sustenance that that land provided. It that sense the distinction of wealth and poverty was much less apparent. This situation provided a sense of true freedom from both material yearnings and from a sense of captivity to work. The only work needed to be done pretty much was for basic sustenance and beyond that one had the time to do whatever one wished to do. Not only that the issue of self esteem was not tied to class distinctions as their were none per say.
dohboi wrote:I should let him speak for himself, but I did not get the impression that onlooker was claiming that such early life was some kind of perfect paradise. But it certainly points out that there is not some deeply embedded DNA that requires humans to own land or to even want to own land. The concept is quite recent in the long history of the species, as far as I've seen.
As to 'noble savage,' people always pull that out whenever anyone dares to say anything remotely positive about any other lifestyle than the current consumerist industrial one. This is how deeply we almost all have been propagandized into loathing every other way of living, even many of us that recognize the deep problems with our current system.'
However much anyone might think that 'noble savages' have been romanticized by some writer or media portrayal, let me just point out the world-and-soul-destroying current consumerist life style has been romanticized many times more, no, I should say many, many orders of magnitude times more than anything else has ever been romanticized in the history of romanticization. Most people are exposed to at least 2000 messages a day all doing that exact thing.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:2). Shut down ALL aspects of the rest of the government. (Something which I'm confident 99%+ of the citizens with functioning brains won't go for, once their government services all shut down -- including things like keeping the water, heat, lights, roads, etc. functioning and safe).
Next?
You miss my point, in territory roaming hunter gatherer societies there is a tribal ownership ethic for the territory. They don't own a plot where they plant crops like farmers do, but they do own a route around their territory that they pass over in a circuit gathering seasonal resources section by section as they travel camping in areas as they go. If another tribe tries to move into their territory and harvest there resources they respond with violence if necessary.
careinke wrote:No government, especially the federal government, provides for my water, heat, or lights, (or even sewer for that matter), they do make an attempt at roads...
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