[DomusAlbion]

Brilliant, Ferretlover! Simply said and simply true.

No, I have no links to support my opinion, just my own logic.

And the long history of humanity.

[Fishman]

"We in the West have lost our connection with the spirit world and look at all diseases through the lens of a microscope."
Why VM that is so sweet, and so full of s@%t. Those marvelous witch doctors gave you an average life expectancy of about 30. Smallpox never really responded well to chants around the campfire, those nasty vaccines eliminated it from the face of the earth.

[Pretorian]

"We in the West have lost our connection with the spirit world and look at all diseases through the lens of a microscope."
Why VM that is so sweet, and so full of s@%t. Those marvelous witch doctors gave you an average life expectancy of about 30. Smallpox never really responded well to chants around the campfire, those nasty vaccines eliminated it from the face of the earth.

Wow, fishmean is pro-vaccine kind of aguy. Isn't it something.

[JJ]

I work in the health sector in Australia, in several different roles.
Specializing in behaviour managment, I often work with people who are physicly able but mentally/ socially dysfunctional to the point of needing assistance. ... Excessive requote text deleted.

Will natural justice come back into play in current first world countries as economies bite the dust? I very much suspect so.
What do others here think?

Chris, Nanay has a "katok" living on the front porch named Mondo (I call him Mondo the moron). In exchange for hauling water, he gets daily food and at the end of the week, a few pesos (which the local drunks talk him out of quickly). As far as I can tell, he is still wearing the same clothes he had sixteen years ago. But then, the Philippines handle old age and mental illness differently than countries where they are big business. Your profession is a luxury of the rich. Jay

[gollum]

While having no use for criminals I sure hate to see them lumped in with the truly disabled in a thread like this, sadly though I find my self in agreement that the handicapped will suffer first and most. My first child was born severely disabled and passed on three years ago, while I terribly miss her I'm glad she won't ever have to suffer in a world where she would be one of the "dregs" of society and be demonized as the cause of a collapse that in reality was brought on by greed, resource depletion, and the biggest mismanagement of resources in the history of man.

[AgentR11]

Well, the original post was about people that were not only mentally disabled, but also seriously dangerous to others. No one really would be surprised to see a large extended family caring for one of their own who couldn't be on their own mentally, whether now, or in a more deprived future, if they are not dangerous. The problem is that there really are folks who are mentally disabled, and disturbed in such a way as to be a continuing, immediate, physical hazard to those around them; if they also happen to be physically strong, they can easily overwhelm what a family can manage.

Go back a few generations, and these folks were permanently locked up in mental institutions; and as cruel as it sounds, is it really worse than letting them run crazy and free, kill some people, and then have to be "put down"?

You can't fix everyone, even today.

[vision-master]

I worked for a few of these 'mentally disabled' ppl, they were my bosses. Too bad I didn't throw em out a second story window back then. It would have done them good....

[Cloud9]

The economic solution will be found. 9mm reload, 15 cents. Sad but true.

[topcat]

Yesterday: Hiring for part-time, summer help at our small farm market.

Female calls, 'Oh, you take out taxes. Can't we just come to an agreement and pay me cash? You see, I made some bad decisions a while back, I'm a single mother of FIVE, live in goverment housing, and if I work a tax-job, they will cut back on my food stamps and support money.'

What happens when the $$$'s dry up?

For her, I don't give a flip!

[Cloud9]

My kid had to pay $75,000 in taxes last year. He has been a Republican about ten months now.

[SeaGypsy]

Our tax year ends June 30/ earned $30k got every dollar tax paid back plus $11k in family support.Only worked 6 months. Socialism sucks.

[Pretorian]

Our tax year ends June 30/ earned $30k got every dollar tax paid back plus $11k in family support.Only worked 6 months. Socialism sucks.

For those who has to maintain you and your spawn, yes it does. Fortunately for your grieving conscience, it will not last.

[vision-master]

Will you fare any better in the long run?

[JJ]

Our tax year ends June 30/ earned $30k got every dollar tax paid back plus $11k in family support.Only worked 6 months. Socialism sucks.

Chris, when you can no longer fly back and forth between two countries, which will you choose? Jay

[Livewire713]

Our tax year ends June 30/ earned $30k got every dollar tax paid back plus $11k in family support.Only worked 6 months. Socialism sucks.

My wife and I both work, house is paid for and no children. Haven't received a federal return in 20 years. First time we filed together we had to pay in a extra $3k, since then my wife pays in a extra $200 per month to federal. We still end up owing a few hundred on April 15th. Even with that said Id like the Bush tax cuts to expire.

[SeaGypsy]

Our tax year ends June 30/ earned $30k got every dollar tax paid back plus $11k in family support.Only worked 6 months. Socialism sucks.

Chris, when you can no longer fly back and forth between two countries, which will you choose? Jay

That depends on several factors as yet undetermined.
I will likely well before the flights stop, have home built in PI and have a vessel capable of sailing the pond between.

As you know J things are very different, some ways good others not so. Philippines is getting slowly better in many ways, I do miss it terribly when I'm here. But for now I still need to earn as much as I can over here, without getting bogged down.

[AgentR11]

Probably won't be too bad really; only thing that makes sailing between PI&CA bad is the time, but if things go urp such that folks don't fly anymore, spending the time to make the crossing shouldn't be a big deal anymore.

[Serial_Worrier]

Amazing the doomer-ism in here! I mean just ignore the Oslo massacre, that's just a random data point that signifies nothing.

[AgentR11]

I think oslo has its own thread, no?

[SeaGypsy]

If you read the thread, I suggested a $3 bullet/ generous when compared 2 cloud9 at 15 cents, (probably slower).
What to say about Oslo relevant to this thread?
That's about it I guess.