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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby s0ul5 » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 10:08:28

Moscow has issued an extraordinary warning to the West that military assistance to Georgia for use against South Ossetia or Abkhazia would be viewed as a "declaration of war" by Russia.

The extreme rhetoric from the Kremlin's envoy to NATO came as President Dmitry Medvedev stressed he will make a military response to US missile defence installations in eastern Europe, sending new shudders across countries whose people were once blighted by the Iron Curtain.

And Moscow also emphasised it was closely monitoring what it claims is a build-up of NATO firepower in the Black Sea.


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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby Alcassin » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 10:21:00

ir290762 wrote:If the US REALLY want to help Georgia, they could open their market wide to Georgian wines and brandys. They are actually quite good (although a lot of counterfeit produce in the market).

This could do real good for the Georgian economy, much more than sending countless weaponry in this war-torn area.


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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby evgeny » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 14:14:18

Georgia is the graveyard of America's unipolar world

If there were any doubt that the rules of the international game have changed for good, the events of the past few days should have dispelled it. On Monday, President Bush demanded that Russia's leaders reject their parliament's appeal to recognise the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Within 24 hours, Bush had his response: President Medvedev announced Russia's recognition of the two contested Georgian enclaves.

The Russian message was unmistakable: the outcome of the war triggered by Georgia's attack on South Ossetia on August 7 is non-negotiable - and nothing the titans of the US empire do or say is going to reverse it. After that, the British foreign secretary David Miliband's posturing yesterday in Kiev about building a "coalition against Russian aggression" merely looked foolish.

That this month's events in the Caucasus signal an international turning point is no longer in question. The comparisons with August 1914 are of course ridiculous, and even the speculation about a new cold war overdone. For all the manoeuvres in the Black Sea and nuclear-backed threats, the standoff between Russia and the US is not remotely comparable to the events that led up to the first world war. Nor do the current tensions have anything like the ideological and global dimensions that shaped the 40-year confrontation between the west and the Soviet Union.

But what is clear is that America's unipolar moment has passed - and the new world order heralded by Bush's father in the dying days of the Soviet Union in 1991 is no more. The days when one power was able to bestride the globe like a colossus, enforcing its will in every continent, challenged only by popular movements for national independence and isolated "rogue states", are now over. For nearly two decades, while Russia sunk into "catastroika" and China built an economic powerhouse, the US has exercised unprecedented and unaccountable global power, arrogating to itself and its allies the right to invade and occupy other countries, untroubled by international law or institutions, sucking ever more states into the orbit of its voracious military alliance.

Now, pumped up with petrodollars, Russia has called a halt to this relentless expansion and demonstrated that the US writ doesn't run in every backyard. And although it has been a regional, not a global, challenge, this object lesson in the new limits of American power has already been absorbed from central Asia to Latin America.

In Georgia itself, both Medvedev's recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia's independence and Russia's destruction of Georgian military capacity have been designed to leave no room for doubt that the issue of the enclaves' reintegration has been closed. There are certainly dangers for Russia's own territorial integrity in legitimising breakaway states. But the move will have little practical impact and is presumably partly intended to create bargaining chips for future negotiations.
Miliband's attempt in Ukraine, meanwhile, to deny the obvious parallels with the US-orchestrated recognition of Kosovo's independence earlier this year rang particularly hollow, as did his denunciation of invasions of sovereign states and double standards. Both the west and Russia have abused the charge of "genocide" to try and give themselves legal cover, but Russia is surely on stronger ground over South Ossetia - where its own internationally recognised peacekeepers were directly attacked by the Georgian army - than Nato was in Kosovo in 1999, where most ethnic cleansing took place after the US-led assault began.

There has been much talk among western politicians in recent days about Russia isolating itself from the international community. But unless that simply means North America and Europe, nothing could be further from the truth. While the US and British media have swung into full cold-war mode over the Georgia crisis, the rest of the world has seen it in a very different light. As Kishore Mahbubani, Singapore's former UN ambassador, observed in the Financial Times a few days ago, "most of the world is bemused by western moralising on Georgia". While the western view is that the world "should support the underdog, Georgia, against Russia ... most support Russia against the bullying west. The gap between the western narrative and the rest of the world could not be clearer." link
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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby TonisD » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 17:28:56

Russian-backed paramilitaries are “ethnically cleansing” villages on Georgian soil, refugees and officials told The Times yesterday.

South Ossetian militiamen have torched houses, beaten elderly people and even murdered civilians in the lawless buffer zone set up by the Russian Army just north of Gori. The violence, close to the border with the breakaway republic recognised by Russia this week as independent, has prompted a new wave of refugees into Gori, 40 miles north of Tbilisi.


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So, where are the Russian "peacekeepers"?
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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby dissident » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 20:50:10

He said, she said. You can also claim that Gori got ethnically cleansed because the civilian population left but now it is in Georgian hands and they can return. There weren't tens of thousands of Georgians living in the two buffer zones that Russian forces have established around Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

BTW, one third of the population in South Ossetia was Georgian on August 7, about 24,000 people. They have all been turned int refugees like the 40,000 South Ossetians that fled Saakashvili's attack. Did they get "ethnically cleansed" ?

Your sanctimony is worthless. When the Croat army drove out 450,000 Serbs from Krajina and the Slavonian lands in 1995 a British newspaper headlined: "Serbs them right". When Kosovo Albanians drove out 300,000 non Albanians from Kosovo in 1999, 50,000 NATO "peacekeepers" were sitting around doing nothing since it was not their job to "police the province". Take your bloody hypocrisy and shove it, sunshine.
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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby zoidberg » Thu 28 Aug 2008, 22:12:10

dissident wrote:He said, she said. You can also claim that Gori got ethnically cleansed because the civilian population left but now it is in Georgian hands and they can return. There weren't tens of thousands of Georgians living in the two buffer zones that Russian forces have established around Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

BTW, one third of the population in South Ossetia was Georgian on August 7, about 24,000 people. They have all been turned int refugees like the 40,000 South Ossetians that fled Saakashvili's attack. Did they get "ethnically cleansed" ?

Your sanctimony is worthless. When the Croat army drove out 450,000 Serbs from Krajina and the Slavonian lands in 1995 a British newspaper headlined: "Serbs them right". When Kosovo Albanians drove out 300,000 non Albanians from Kosovo in 1999, 50,000 NATO "peacekeepers" were sitting around doing nothing since it was not their job to "police the province". Take your bloody hypocrisy and shove it, sunshine.


The Caucasus is no place for moralizing thats for sure. In fact everyone is where they are because their ancestors murdered and drove out the previous inhabitants in a process going back to the beginning of human evolution. Doesnt make it nice, but we shouldnt be surprised
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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby Carlhole » Fri 29 Aug 2008, 06:32:56

Ron Paul: 'No Difference' Between McCain and Obama

Ron Paul wrote:Congressman Ron Paul says there is 'no difference' between US presidential candidates, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain.

"Their foreign policies are identical," the Texas congressman said in an interview with CNN on Thursday. "There's no difference."

"They want more troops in Afghanistan. They want to send more support to Georgia to protect the oil line there. Neither one says bring home the troops from Iraq from the bases -- you know the bases are going to stay there, the embassy as big as the Vatican, that's going to remain. So their foreign policies are exactly the same," he added.

The former Republican presidential candidate said that the two candidates are both threats to the US national interests.

"We create the threats! Why are we on the borders of Russia provoking the Russians? I mean, the Georgians initiated the military attack against these enclaves where there were mostly Russians... It's a fact that we're over there that we create these crises."

When asked if he endorses any of the candidates, Paul replied, "I've endorsed neither one and we will not endorse either the two top candidates."


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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby bl00k » Fri 29 Aug 2008, 06:59:50

"We create the threats! Why are we on the borders of Russia provoking the Russians? I mean, the Georgians initiated the military attack against these enclaves where there were mostly Russians... It's a fact that we're over there that we create these crises."

huh... it feels kinda weird hearing a politician saying something that makes sense...
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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby joelcolorado » Fri 29 Aug 2008, 09:18:53

I still believe that big money drives all politics and if you dont toe the line, you get taken out. Or threatened with that. Look at all the world wars and conflicts. Its all about money. The love of money IS the root of all evil I think. Not money, but the love of it. I have to wach myself close as I like to stack money up, not enjoy what it can buy my family so that is bad.
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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby Alcassin » Sat 30 Aug 2008, 04:10:34

joelcolorado wrote:I still believe that big money drives all politics and if you dont toe the line, you get taken out. Or threatened with that. Look at all the world wars and conflicts. Its all about money. The love of money IS the root of all evil I think. Not money, but the love of it. I have to wach myself close as I like to stack money up, not enjoy what it can buy my family so that is bad.


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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby ReverseEngineer » Sat 30 Aug 2008, 04:36:22

Alcassin wrote:Power, influence, resources.
Money is used like a tool.


More accurately a Weapon, not a Tool. As the money supply has grown exponentially in the era of Big Oil, so also has its power grown much like a Nuclear Bomb. Interestingly though, as opposed to a fissionable bomb, the end game for the money supply is an Implosion rather than an Explosion. It basically is collapsing in on itself.

The various plays here by the controlling bodies of great wealth to maintain their position are the inevitable result of watching their wealth basically go up in smoke. If it was not for the fact that such greed will take us all down the toilet with those who centralize wealth and use it as a weapon, this would be quite an entertaining scenario to watch play itself out. Its like putting a bunch of Hannibal Lecters all in the same room, and watching them all consume each other. With a some Fava Beans and a little Chianti, a very tasty dinner :-)

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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby TonisD » Sun 31 Aug 2008, 17:20:21

Want to know why there is only one side of the story always told in Russia? Simple, they kill all who would speak the truth.

MOSCOW - The owner of an independent Web site critical of authorities was shot and killed Sunday by police in a volatile province in southern Russia, his colleague said.

Police arrested Ingushetiya.ru owner Magomed Yevloyev on Sunday, taking him off a plane that had just landed in Ingushetia province near Chechnya, said the site's deputy editor, Ruslan Khautiyev.

Police whisked Yevloyev away in a car and later dumped him on the road with a gunshot wound in the head, Khautiyev said. He said Yevloyev died in a hospital shortly afterward.
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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby Graeme » Sun 31 Aug 2008, 22:55:02

There is no need to fight Russia - just harness an alternative to oil

NATO is no longer part of my beat as a journalist, but let me remind those breezily pushing for an extension of the North Atlantic pact to Georgia and Ukraine what this actually means.

It exposes Britain and other Western powers to a high risk of war with Russia. It entangles us in ethnic disputes of enormous complexity deep inside the Kremlin sphere of influence, against a formidable military power, along supply lines that we cannot possibly defend.


Obviously, we must cut our reliance on oil and gas even faster than we are already doing. Nuclear and clean power stations must be built with more urgency than we have seen so far. Tide and wave power technology should be given the same strategic priority as aircraft carriers.

If I were an American citizen, I would expect Washington to sponsor a Manhattan Project to harness the solar power on a mass scale. My apologies to the CIA/Pentagon if such a blitz is under way. Jim Woolsey, the former CIA director, told me last week that the US will end its strategic dependence on oil much more quickly than people realise. "We can defeat oil as a transport fuel. Russia won't be able to push us around any more within a decade," he said.


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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby eXpat » Tue 02 Sep 2008, 15:42:35

Human Rights Watch says Georgia admits to dropping cluster bombs in S. Ossetia
Human Rights Watch says it has received an official letter from Georgia's Defense Ministry that acknowledges use of the M85 cluster munition near the Roki tunnel that connects South Ossetia with Russia.

The M85 is the same weapon that was used extensively by Israel in its 2006 war with Hezbollah in Lebanon.


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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby virgincrude » Wed 03 Sep 2008, 05:39:14

Putin's Ruthless Gambit
The Bush Administration Falters in a Geopolitical Chess Match
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Many Western analysts have chosen to interpret the recent fighting in the Caucasus as the onset of a new Cold War, with a small pro-Western democracy bravely resisting a brutal reincarnation of Stalin's jack-booted Soviet Union. Others have viewed it a throwback to the age-old ethnic politics of southeastern Europe, with assorted minorities using contemporary border disputes to settle ancient scores.

Neither of these explanations is accurate. To fully grasp the recent upheavals in the Caucasus, it is necessary to view the conflict as but a minor skirmish in a far more significant geopolitical struggle between Moscow and Washington over the energy riches of the Caspian Sea basin -- with former Russian President (now Prime Minister) Vladimir Putin emerging as the reigning Grand Master of geostrategic chess and the Bush team turning out to be middling amateurs, at best.
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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby Graeme » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 00:22:47

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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby Nickel » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 07:57:36

Graeme wrote:"We can defeat oil as a transport fuel. Russia won't be able to push us around any more within a decade," he said.


Sounds eminently sensible to me, as long as it's not an excuse to go back to pushing Russia around again once it happens.
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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby evgeny » Sun 07 Sep 2008, 11:29:49

The puppet masters behind Georgia President Saakashvili

The controversy over the Georgian surprise military attacks on South Ossetia and Abkhazia on 8.8.08 makes a closer look at the controversial Georgian President and his puppet masters important. An examination shows 41-year-old Mikheil Saakashvili to be a ruthless and corrupt totalitarian who is tied to not only the US NATO establishment, but also to the Israeli military and intelligence establishment.

The famous ‘Rose Revolution of November 2003 that forced the ageing Edouard Shevardnadze from power and swept the then 36-year-old US university graduate into power was run and financed by the US State Department, the Soros Foundations, and agencies tied to the Pentagon and US intelligence community.

Mikheil Saakashvili was deliberately placed in power in one of the most sophisticated US regime change operations, using ostensibly private NGOs (non-governmental organizations) to create an atmosphere of popular protest against the existing regime of former Soviet Foreign Minister Edouard Shevardnadze, who was no longer useful to Washington when he began to make a deal with Moscow over energy pipelines and privatizations.

Saakashvili was brought to power in a US-engineered coup run on the ground by US-funded NGOs, in an application of a new method of US destabilization of regimes it considered hostile to its foreign policy agenda. The November 24, 2003, Wall Street Journal explicitly credited the toppling of Shevardnadze’s regime to the operations of “a raft of non-governmental organizations . . . supported by American and other Western foundations.” These NGOs, said the Journal, had “spawned a class of young, English-speaking intellectuals hungry for pro-Western reforms” who were instrumental laying the groundwork for a bloodless coup.

Coup by NGO

But there is more. The NGOs were coordinated by the US Ambassador to Georgia, Richard Miles, who had just arrived in Tbilisi fresh from success in orchestrating the CIA-backed toppling of Slobodan Milosevic in Belgrade, using the same NGOs. Miles, who is believed to be an undercover intelligence specialist, supervised the Saakashvili coup.

It involved US billionaire George Soros’ Open Society Georgia Foundation. It involved the Washington-based Freedom House whose chairman was former CIA chief James Woolsey. It involved generous financing from the US Congress-financed National Endowment for Democracy, an agency created by Ronald Reagan in the 1980s to “do privately what the CIA used to do,” namely coups against regimes the US government finds unfriendly.

George Soros’ foundations have been forced to leave numerous eastern European countries, including Russia, as well as China after the 1989 student Tiananmen Square uprising. Soros is also the financier together with the US State Department of Human Rights Watch, a US-based and run propaganda arm of the entire NGO apparatus of regime coups such as Georgia and Ukraine’s 2004 Orange Revolution. Some analysts believe Soros is a high-level operative of the US State Department or intelligence services using his private foundations as cover.

The US State Department funded the Georgia Liberty Institute headed by Saakashvili, the US approved candidate to succeed the no-longer cooperative Shevardnadze. The Liberty Institute in turn created “Kmara!” which translates to “Enough!” According to a BBC report at the time, Kmara! was organized in the spring of 2003, when Saakashvili along with hand-picked Georgia student activists were paid by the Soros Foundation to go to Belgrade to learn from the US-financed Otpor activists that toppled Milosevic. They were trained in Gene Sharp’s “non-violence as a method of warfare” by the Belgrade Center for Nonviolent Resistance.

Saakashvili as mafioso president

Once he was in place in January 2004 as Georgia’s new president, Saakashvili proceeded to pack the regime with his cronies and kinsmen. The death of Zurab Zhvania, his prime minister, in February 2005 remains a mystery. The official version -- poisoning by a faulty gas heater -- was adopted by American FBI investigators within two weeks of the Zhvania’s death. That has never seemed credible to those familiar with Georgia’s gangland slayings, crime, and other manifestations of social decay. Zhvania’s death was followed closely by a functionary of the premier’s apparat, Georgi Khelashvili, who allegedly shot himself the day after his chief’s demise. The head of Zhvania’s research staff was later found dead as well.

Figures allied with Saakashvili reportedly had a hand in the premier’s death. Russian journalist Marina Perevozkina quoted Gia Khurashvili, a Georgian economist. Prior to the fatal incident, Mr. Khurashvili had published an article in Resonans newspaper opposing the privatization and sale of Georgia’s main gas pipeline. Ten days before the prime minister’s body was found, Khurashvili was attacked and his editor-in-chief -- citing pressure from ‘security service’ figures he refused to name -- issued him a warning.

The late premier’s position on the pipeline issue was believed the direct reason for the murder of Zhvania. Zhvania’s brother, Georgi, also told Perevozkina that not long before Zhvania’s death he received a warning that someone was preparing to kill his brother. Saakashvili was reportedly livid when the US State Department invited Zhvania to Washington to win a Freedom Medal from the US Government’s National Democratic Institute. Saakashvili tolerates no rivals for power it seems.

Saakashvili, who cleverly marketed himself as “anti-corruption,” appointed several of his family members to lucrative posts in government, giving one of his brothers a position as chief adviser on domestic issues to the Baku-Ceyhan Pipeline project, backed by British Petroleum and other oil multinationals.

Since coming to power in 2004 with US aid, Saakashvili has led a policy of large-scale arrests, imprisonment, torture and deepened corruption. Saakashvili has presided over the creation of a de facto one-party state, with a dummy opposition occupying a tiny portion of seats in the parliament, and this public servant is building a Ceaucescu-style palace for himself on the outskirts of Tbilisi. According to the magazine, Civil Georgia (Mar. 22, 2004), until 2005, the salaries of Saakashvili and many of his ministers were reportedly paid by the NGO network of New York-based currency speculator Soros -- along with the United Nations Development Program.

Israeli and US military train Georgian military

The current military assault on South Ossetia and Abkhazia, in violation of Saakashvili’s pledge to seek a diplomatic not military solution to the territorial disputes, is backed by US and Israeli military “advisers.” Israel’s Haaretz newspaper reported that on August 10 Georgian Minister of Reintegration Temur Yakobshvili “praised the Israel Defense Forces for its role in training Georgian troops and said Israel should be proud of its military might, in an interview with Army Radio. ‘Israel should be proud of its military which trained Georgian soldiers,’ Yakobashvili told Army Radio in Hebrew, referring to a private Israeli group Georgia had hired.’”

One of the targets of Russian bombs near Tbilisi was, according to IsraelNN.com, “a Georgian military plant in which Israeli experts are upgrading jet fighters for the Georgian military . . . Russian fighter jets bombed runways inside the plant, located near Tbilisi, where Israeli security firm Elbit is in charge of upgrading Georgian SU-25 jets.”

Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, also a candidate to succeed ousted Israeli Prime Minister Olmert, proclaimed on August 10 that “Israel recognizes Georgia’s territorial integrity,” code for saying it backs Georgia’s attempt to take South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

The reported 1,000 Israeli military advisers in Georgia were not alone. On July 15, Reuters news wire carried the following report: “VAZIANI, Georgia -- One thousand U.S. troops began a military training exercise called ‘Immediate Response 2008,’ in Georgia on Tuesday against a backdrop of growing friction between Georgia and neighboring Russia. The two-week exercise was taking place at the Vaziani military base near the capital, Tbilisi, which was a Russian air force base until Russian forces withdrew at the start of this decade under a European arms reduction agreement . . . Georgia has a 2,000-strong contingent supporting the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq, and Washington provides training and equipment to the Georgian military. The United States is an ally of Georgia and has irritated Russia by backing Tbilisi’s bid to join the NATO military alliance . . . ‘The main purpose of these exercises is to increase the cooperation and partnership between U.S. and Georgian forces,’ Brig. Gen. William B. Garrett, commander of the U.S. military’s Southern European Task Force, told reporters.”

With Russia openly backing and training the indigenous military in South Ossetia and Abkhazia to maintain Russian presence in the region, especially since the US-backed pro-NATO Saakashvili regime took power in 2004, the Caucasus is rapidly coming to resemble Spain in the Civil War from 1936-1939, where the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and others poured money and weapons and volunteers into Spain in a devastating war that was a precursor to the Second World War.

In a curious footnote to the actual launch of military fighting on the opening day of the Olympics when Putin, George W. Bush and many world leaders were far away in Beijing, is a report in IsraelNN.com by Gl Ronen, stating that “The Georgian move against South Ossetia was motivated by political considerations having to do with Israel and Iran, according to Nfc. Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili decided to assert control over the breakaway region in order to force Israel to reconsider its decision to cut back its support for Georgia’s military.”

Ronen added, “Russian and Georgian media reported several days ago that Israel decided to stop its support for Georgia after Moscow made it clear to Jerusalem and Washington that Russia would respond to continued aid for Georgia by selling advanced anti-aircraft systems to Syria and Iran.” Israel plans to get oil and gas from the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline from the Caspian.

Although as of this writing Russian President Medvedev has announced Russia is halting its military response against Georgian targets, the situation is anything but stable. The insistence of Washington in bringing Georgia into its geopolitical sphere and backing an unstable regime around Mikheil Saakashvili may well have been the straw which broke the Russian camel’s patience if not his back.

Whether oil pipeline disputes or Russian challenges to Israel are the proximate trigger for Saakashvili’s dangerous game, it is clear that the volatile Georgian and his puppet masters may have entered a game where no one will be able to control the outcome.


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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby Graeme » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 01:25:27

How the West is losing the energy cold war

Azerbaijan also supported the Baku-Tbilisi-Erzurum gas pipeline into eastern Turkey. Europe, with US backing, wants to extend it all the way to Austria. That project is named Nabucco - an operatic touch that underlines its importance in saving Europe from energy slavery.

Now not only is that plan in tatters but much else besides. As the shock waves from Russia's dismemberment of Georgia echo across the region, Western interests are toppling like dominos. Almost unnoticed in Britain, Dick Cheney, the US Vice-President, paid a near-disastrous visit to Azerbaijan last week. Its President, Ilham Aliyev, inflicted a series of public snubs, including phoning the Russian President, Dmitri Medvedev, the moment that a meeting with Mr Cheney finished. A disgruntled Mr Cheney apparently then failed to appear at an official banquet. Azerbaijan seems to be ruling out supplying gas to Nabucco.


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Re: Russia Georgia Ossetia Alkhazia Ukraine War

Unread postby evgeny » Mon 08 Sep 2008, 03:39:25

Without Russia States will only crawl.


Plans for U.S. space exploration risk and to remain unfulfilled. Because of deteriorating relations with Russia in connection with the military conflict in South Ossetia, States intends to delete their dependence on our country on this issue. The paradox is that without Russia, which holds leading positions in the space sphere, in the coming years America will have to be satisfied with only crawl - to fly it will not be able to accurately.

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