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[dorlomin]

My family is Scottish so the idea that oil can decline and that its bounty can be squandered is taken for granted. My brother has also seen " A short history of oil" by Robert Newman so is pretty aware that the long term trend will be one of constant recessions and depressions. Problem is he is a lazy bugger and wont do anything too vigerous about it.

My mates find me a bit obsessive about this kind of thing but dont dispute that Im probibly right.

[mos6507]

lol, there was a period of revenge and frustration against humanity, but it is now over.

We'll see about that. Seems like a personality trait of yours that isn't going away anytime soon, even if you attempt to submerge it.

[POAlex]

We get into Buddhism to have compassion for your kind of sentient being.

I don't get a lot of compassionate vibes from him. I get a lot of "I've reached perfection and you unwashed masses are going DOWN." It's actually pretty fundie christian hellfire and brimstone in outlook.

lol, there was a period of revenge and frustration against humanity, but it is now over. It was also part of a experiment, and I got some valuable information from it.
I chosed to stay many lives to help others, that you (or any other poster from this forum) is not on my current help list doesn't mean much. I'm helping others, specially learning basis of meditation and talking of what is rarely talked about.

But that's why we need Jesus, bodinagamin. If we hold up our lives to the Ten Commandments, we see that we've fallen short and need a Saviour.
Have I Been Good Enough To Go To Heaven?
Take care,
Alex

[davep]

We need Jesus, bodinagamin.

What if he doesn't come?

Maybe we each need to be responsible, rather than waiting for a saviour. Isn't that what Jesus would have wanted?

Edit: to sin is to 'miss the mark', according to a priest I know. Try hitting the mark without expecting God to bring back his Son.

[POAlex]

We should be good stewards, dave. Absolutely.

However, when He comes back, isn't as important as making sure we're right with Him now.

Alex

[davep]

However, when He comes back, isn't as important as making sure we're right with Him now.

Or indeed, being right with ourselves.

[POAlex]

Its like the land we live in. There are laws to obide by and if we break the laws, we owe a fine or a debt.

So can you see how, in the case of God's Law, the debt would be with God, not ourselves?

Alex

[bratticus]

We get into Buddhism to have compassion for your kind of sentient being.

I don't get a lot of compassionate vibes from him. I get a lot of "I've reached perfection and you unwashed masses are going DOWN." It's actually pretty fundie christian hellfire and brimstone in outlook.

lol, there was a period of revenge and frustration against humanity, but it is now over. It was also part of a experiment, and I got some valuable information from it.
I chosed to stay many lives to help others, that you (or any other poster from this forum) is not on my current help list doesn't mean much. I'm helping others, specially learning basis of meditation and talking of what is rarely talked about.

But that's why we need Jesus, bodinagamin. If we hold up our lives to the Ten Commandments, we see that we've fallen short and need a Saviour.
Have I Been Good Enough To Go To Heaven?
Take care,
Alex

We need a sandwich and a cup of tea. Sell your birthright for them. Just do it.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

I came out to my sister (fanatical xtian) and dad who is also an FX. My sister is kind of listening, but I do notice that she shuts down at times cause of overload and I try to be sensitive to that.

I have sent her and my dad's wife copies of my food storage plan and pantry list. I keep them up to date on the economy.

If I talk peakoil they deny it. but if I focus on the economic side of life, they want to deny it like hell, I can feel it and sense it, but they are more open to it. But luckily their religion predisposes them to be fearful so they are a little more accepting of it than they otherwise might be.

Of course, they are also both hedging their best that Jeasus will rescue them before hand....

[StormBringer]

When i told my mother about the impending future, she as expected began to tell me about god and finding peace. As an ordained minister find little comfort in her words. As i told her god helps those who help themselves. If we do not prepair and as someone on this site stated..."power down softly" {sorry for not remembering your name} we will be in for the shock of our lives and many about 90% is my est. will be ill-prepaired.

As i began to tell my family and close friends of the plight of the world, I woundered how they would except the info, and how they would look upon me for such a revalation. I came to the conclusion that it is the duity of the informed to share with others no matter the conclusion they draw. I really never wanted to be the bearer of such tribulation but it is a burden we share on this site and i find comfort knowing im not alone.

[Grifter]

I really never wanted to be the bearer of such tribulation but it is a burden we share on this site and i find comfort knowing im not alone.

I do not share that burden. I did at one time but the reaction of others hardened me to their (and my) likely destiny.

I just don't care about them, if I did I would be constantly miserable and worried for my fellow man. That wouldn't lead to me being very productive with my time.

[StormBringer]

I really never wanted to be the bearer of such tribulation but it is a burden we share on this site and i find comfort knowing im not alone.

I do not share that burden. I did at one time but the reaction of others hardened me to their (and my) likely destiny.
I just don't care about them, if I did I would be constantly miserable and worried for my fellow man. That wouldn't lead to me being very productive with my time.

The burden is the knowledge.. We are only accountable to ourselves on what we do with it. Dont let the intollerance of others effect your outlook.

[Serial_Worrier]

Personally I'll be very glad when the most hard-hearted among us leave this site. Their rank anti-humanism is self-defeating.

[rangerone314]

Personally I'll be very glad when the most hard-hearted among us leave this site. Their rank anti-humanism is self-defeating.

Its not hard to be disheartened by rank ignorance and stupidity...

Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing...after they have exhausted all other possibilities." -- Winston Churchill

[StormBringer]

There comes a time when everyone gets a bit of hard heart. There is a time and place for such things. The difference is knowing when and to whom to use such abrasion on. To close your heart to all because of the mistakes of a few, well that's not the world I want to live in anyway. Often on this site you get the since that it is easier to shut out the world than to live in it. That may be true but it makes for a lonely place. Don't be angered by someone who has a hard heart, that is what they expect, instead have pity, mercy, and kindness, shock them with something they didn't expect. Even if it don't work and they still throw it back at you, at least they didn't make you have a bad day too. The problem with emotion is that it is contagious Angry, Happy, OR Sad without even knowing it you infect others.

[rangerone314]

How hard of a tact are those of us here going to take with extended family when TSHTF?

For example, I can get about enough food for 6 people (me, wife, 2 sons, stepson, daughter) out of an half-an acre planted with corn, squash, beans, etc.

I have 2 1/4 acres, slightly more than half of which is woods providing firewood. The 1 acre or so is divided between fruit trees, area taken up by house, and crop-area... so do we throw the parents cousins etc under the bus?

I'm saying this because idea of coming out to the relatives, if people choose not to listen to our warnings before TSHTF, are we morally obligated to help those who didn't listen after the fact?

[Ludi]

are we morally obligated to help those who didn't listen after the fact?

That entirely depends on your own personal morals.

[mos6507]

Interesting that this thread is being bumped now. In a couple weeks my mom will be back in town and we're going to have to have a family talk about my plans for a house. They still want to convince me to stay in this house. Meanwhile, I'm not ruling out moving out of state (to maybe VT or ME) or at least blowing my life's savings on a rural property there while I bide my time waiting for collapse. So I'm going to have to finally let them know what my vision of the future is and I just don't know I'm going to go about it now that gas is cheap again and peak oil looks idiotic on the surface. But once I stop putting on a facade to them, my relationship with them will NEVER be the same.