Tyler_JC wrote:I have a few Scottish friends who have been talking about independence for years.
Personally I hope they get it.
Nickel wrote:Tyler_JC wrote:I have a few Scottish friends who have been talking about independence for years.
I always wish you guys had gotten your independence from Dixie in the 1860s.
energycity wrote:Nickel wrote:Tyler_JC wrote:I have a few Scottish friends who have been talking about independence for years.
I always wish you guys had gotten your independence from Dixie in the 1860s.
I'm still smarting over 1776!
Nickel wrote:Tyler_JC wrote:I have a few Scottish friends who have been talking about independence for years.
Personally I hope they get it.
I always wish you guys had gotten your independence from Dixie in the 1860s.
MustaphaMond wrote:I can't see how Scotland, Ireland or Wales can ever truly be independent of England. If things go bad in England they will get dragged down sooner or later by it. So the question about Scottish independence is actually one about how sustainable England is. If England is self sufficient then the Scots, Irish and Welsh will be allowed to be independent and will have a bright post PO future, If not then they aren't.
Now this is not to say that Scotland might not declare independence and that it may not be accepted by a Westminster govt. but more that the English Govt or people in one way or another will rescind that independence, if England ever gets into trouble. The same can really be said of Ireland and Wales.
So is England self sufficient, I don't think so, it all turns on food. We were barely able to feed ourselves in WW2 with a population of Approx. 40 Million and the Scots/Irish helping. Today it is approx. 50 million, most of the improvements in yields are a result of the Green Revolution and with Peak Oil comes the Green Counter Revolution in which most of the gains of the Green revolution will be lost.
England has more arable land than any other part of the UK which explains its dominance, But that also means that there is less room for improvement approx. 70% of Scotland is pasture, if only a small amount of this could be converted to arable they could make a great increase in their food supply. Only 37% of England is pasture, much less improvement via changing use is possible. Secondly England is low lying with is best Farm land in parts close or even below sea level, any improvements England does make due to land use change will be more than offset by sea level rises.
I suppose England could get food from much further afield, but it requires either the ability to sell something unique and necessary, or to send and sustain armies on different continents and have ships to get the booty back to England neither of which England appears to possess.
energycity wrote:I think if England really was at the point of starvation then it would drag in neighbouring nations.
Do we turn the oil and gas pipes off as well then?GASMON wrote:We'll get Hadrian back to build the wall. Pendolinos stop at Carlisle. M6 blocked at Border. A1 blocked at Berwick on Tweed (THATS OURS!!!!!!!!). IC125 stop at Newcastle.
Scotlands 1700s population is not that much smaller than todays. Alls those Mc's and Mac's in Canada, London, Australia and Texas came from somewhere.... but more to the point the amount of renewable energy in Scotland and Norway is almost embarrasing. Both countries have long thing sea lochs that are easily damnable and can be used to create tidal power. Not to mention the huge amount of wind that they and Ireland could generate. Its a matter of identifying the problem and getting on with local solutions.energycity wrote:There was a piece of research done on this a couple of years back, an update of something from the 1970s. In short it said that Britain (that's England Scotland & Wales) could feed itself (barely), but England could not. Apparently England has 9 million too many people, so let's hope many English people choose to emigrate and the rest turn vegan!
Denny wrote:Just to clarify this, even though Scottish people serve in the the British parliament, they still exist as a nation, do they not?
Denny wrote:At least here in Canda, people from Scotland or of Scottish descent do not consider themselves to be British or English.
Denny wrote:I always thought Edinburgh was the capital of Scotland. Similar to how Quebec City is the capital of Quebec. Just as Quebec is a part of Canada, it like Scotland, also has a form of independence. Maybe not 100% independence as they share military eqipment and the like with England, but approximately. And, even speaking of the military, Scotland even has its own battalions and regiments, comprised of Scotish people.
dorlomin wrote:Area by area there is an awfull lot that can be done to meet a future of depleating energy. All except the South East.
If its walls people are wanting to build build them on the M25 (says me living in Londinium at the minute).
Alls those Mc's and Mac's in Canada, London, Australia and Texas came from somewhere....
gurucat wrote:I support Scotland! Go on with the independence!
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