vision-master wrote:Better watch this..... ->Forbidden Archeology - Secret Discoveries of Early Man
Lucy wuz cooked up to 'fit' the theory.
vision-master wrote:You mean as in lighten one up.......... lsol
scas wrote:Maintain stability through the famine and the few that live will be able to go on sustainably.
mos6507 wrote:if we all get in single file and march to the same tune.
if we all get in single file and march to the same tune.
mos6507 wrote:I'd certainly root for it over BAU, but I think there would ultimately be a rude awakening when we discover there just isn't enough to go around and some central authority has to decide who lives and who dies (lifeboat ethics).
The audience — white, black, young, old, baseball caps and business suits alike — received such words like a tonic, and the questions kept coming: What would family life be like in the future? What would happen if the automated system decided that a person had to die? Mr. Fresco and Ms. Meadows are planning the production of a major feature film to bring the Venus Project to a wider, global audience. Before the night began, Mr. Fresco, a small man with a V-neck sweater and a hearing aid, sat signing books and answering questions from a dozen or so college students gathered like acolytes at his feet.
As the evening came to a close, someone finally asked: So what would it take to actually put such a program into action? A grassroots movement, Mr. Joseph said.
“We already have a quarter-million members,” he insisted from the stage. “At the rate things are going, this will be at Madison Square Garden next year.”
mos6507 wrote:Near the end of this clip there are a series of fictionalized newspapers, some of them mentioning talk about resource wars and WWIII starting up, but it ends with a proverbial deus ex machina, that a global protest (sort of like what Live Earth was supposed to be) will somehow solve everything. Then you have an odd cut to a guy doing Minority Report moves on a globe from some presumably post-transition utopia. There is no way we get from here to there unless there actually IS enough for everyone to bridge the gap. It all rests on the assumption that what we have is really a class (i.e. banksters) and per capita overconsumption problem, but NOT overshoot. And that MIGHT be true today, in 2011, with our existing inventories of fossil fuels to back up phantom carrying capacity. Will it also be true in a future ravaged by peak everything, even if money is invalidated and everybody attempts to hold hands and work together? I have my doubts.
mos6507 wrote:The documentary pays lipservice to carrying capacity because it presents no solution for population control. There is even some veiled insult against "Club of Rome" guys. So obviously there is a certain disdain held against those who feel that we're already in overshoot.
TWilliam wrote:perhaps they're already aware of the inverse relationship between birth rates and living standards and understand that an equitable and abundant society would have a natural tendency toward a stable population.
pstarr wrote:Over population is such a negative force and does not contribute to solutions. If one is to visualize a positive place, it is imperative to clear ones mind (and lower intestine) of impure, unproductive thoughts that block the free-flow of Chi Energy. I mean, Gaia! Isn't that obvious?
TWilliam wrote:Apparently the fact that belief in the possibility of a thing is a prerequisite to its actualization seems to keep getting missed...
mos6507 wrote:Hope must know limits otherwise it's just a lie you tell yourself to get out of bed in the morning.
TWilliam wrote:Yep. And I can think of no better way to discover those limits than to test them. Certainly provides greater opportunity for discovery than sitting around bemoaning the impossibility...
scas wrote:mos - you need to make a movie.
-Accept that there's no easy road, and that our lives will be a tragedy an adventure.
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