SFDukie wrote:Subsequent to this post, there are such photos now.BigTex wrote:I'm surprised so many are frustrated that this topic has been raised. If it's false, then what harm will discussing it cause?
How are crazy ideas supposed to get sorted out except by talking through the different points of view? If you can't discuss it in the PO.com Open Forum where can you discuss it?
I wish that there were some photos of the Moon's surface from the earth or satellite telescopes that showed the landing spots and the gear they left behind. As I understand it, the Hubble telescope does not provide enough resolution to provide these kinds of images. But to be clear, I believe that the Moon landings occurred.
Explanation re resolution from Hubble, and statement re coming Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/11jul_lroc.htm
LRO pictures:
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html
EnergyUnlimited wrote:BigTex wrote:Ah, I'm glad we got that loop closed.
These photos are from Apollo 14...
Maybe Apollo 11 was just an unmanned mission?
After all it is recently reported that Armstrong personally doesn't believe that he was there.
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/co ... inces_neil
Maybe only latter visits were real?
Or maybe none
BigTex wrote:
You cited an Onion article for your source.
Come on.
SeaGypsy wrote:Is that supposed to be funny?
The 'lunar module' shadow isn't just off it's opposite where it should be.
Please check your evidence before posting!
EnergyUnlimited wrote:SeaGypsy wrote:Is that supposed to be funny?
The 'lunar module' shadow isn't just off it's opposite where it should be.
Please check your evidence before posting!
You got it wrong.
Shadows are from craters, not from rocks, so they are pointing the other way.
Stanislav Pokrovsky
Stanislav Georgievich Pokrovsky (born 1959)[37] is a Russian candidate of technical sciences and General Director of a scientific-manufacturing enterprise Project-D-MSK.[38]
In 2007, he studied the filmed staging of the first stage (S-IC) of the Saturn V rocket after the launch of Apollo 11.[39] Analysing it frame by frame, he calculated the actual speed of the Saturn V rocket at S-IC staging time using four different, independent and mutually verifying methods. With all of them, the calculated speed turned out to be at maximum half (1.2 km/s) of the declared one at that point (2.4 km/s). He concluded that due to this, no more than 28 tonnes could be brought on the way to the Moon, including the spacecraft, instead of the 46 tonnes declared by NASA, and so a loop around the Moon was possible but not a manned landing on the Moon with return to the Earth.[40][41][42][43][44]
In 2008, Pokrovsky also claimed to have determined the reason why a higher speed was impossible – problems with the Inconel X-750 superalloy used for the tubes of the wall of the thrust chamber of the F-1 engine,[45] whose physics of high-temperature strength was not yet studied at that time. The strength of the material changes when affected by high temperature and plastic deformations. As a result, the F-1 engine thrust had to be lowered by at least 20%. With these assumptions, he calculated that the real speed would be the same as he had already estimated (see above). Pokrovsky proved that six or more F-1 engines (instead of five) could not be used due to the increased fuel mass required by each new engine, which in turn would require more engines, and so on.[44][46][47][48]
Pokrovsky claims that his Saturn V speed estimation is the first direct proof of the impossibility of the Apollo Moon landing.[38] He says that 15 specialists with scientific degrees (e.g. Alexander Budnik)[49] who reviewed his paper, of which at least five aerodynamics experts and three narrow specialists in ultrasonic movement and aerosols, raised no objections in principle, and the specific wishes and notes they (e.g. Vladimir Surdin)[50] did have could not change his results significantly even if followed.[51][52] Pokrovsky compares his own frame-by-frame analysis of the filmed Saturn V flight to the frame-by-frame analysis of the filmed Trinity nuclear test (1945) done by the Soviet academician Leonid Sedov who created his own blast wave theory to estimate the then top secret power of the explosion.[53]
EnergyUnlimited wrote:So do you think that some silly site could easily usurp that someone with celebrity status and huge government backing have said something outrageous, even if he didn't ?BigTex wrote:You cited an Onion article for your source. Come on.
That is the best avenue for lengthy lawsuits, $10 million compensation bill and an ultimate bankruptcy. If I don't see lawsuits coming against an Onion as a result, I will actually believe that Armstrong have said that.
SeaGypsy wrote:God! To think I thought shadows from the sun all went the same way!!! How stupid of me! But then I thought you had a brain.....
Novus wrote:You do realize that the Onion purposely lies and makes things up. The Onion is a satire news sight that makes fake news seem real in order to mock it. Armstrong Never said he denies the moon landing. The Onion made it up and presented it as fact to see how many moon landing deniers they could get to believe it. When you site the Onion it is like getting Rick Rolled. It is a joke an Internet gag meme. Like look at that fool he cited the Onion hahahahaha. You have been had if you believe anything on the Onion.
BigTex wrote:You're not the first to be stung by the Onion.
A few years ago they ran a story about a woman in China who supposedly had twins and under the one child policy was going to have to choose which one to keep and the other one would be sent to the Soylent Green plant (or some place like that).
Some church group in the U.S. caught wind of it and started raising money and contacting their members of Congress to address this horrible injustice.
EnergyUnlimited wrote:than
da23 wrote:EnergyUnlimited wrote:than
Sorry you got me with this, than=then
then=than
sorRy to be a spelling nNazi but it's morman speak
rangerone314 wrote:Maybe they'll find oil on the moon, too. All we would have to do is build a 230,000 mile oil pipeline to the moon, but that wouldn't be a problem! The 800 mile Alaskan pipeline provides us with good experience in doing this.
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