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Justice and Freedom are...

Unread postby neocone » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 06:37:34

ONLY INCIDENT to law and order
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Re: Justice and Freedom are...

Unread postby americandream » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 06:48:58

Of the stature of Che Guevara.
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Re: Justice and Freedom are...

Unread postby Laughs_Last » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 12:20:56

...now available direct from the factory to you! Pay only $59.99 in nine easy installments.

Comes with these complementary black patent leather jackboots, as our gift to you. Act now and we'll also throw in this lovely gourd. If you're not completely satisfied, we'll send our representatives straight to your door for an in-home consultation.

For international shipping, please send the deed for your oilfields.

Offer not void where prohibited. Cash only, please.
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Re: Justice and Freedom are...

Unread postby coyote » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 12:31:20

in inverse proportion to safety.
Lord, here comes the flood
We'll say goodbye to flesh and blood
If again the seas are silent in any still alive
It'll be those who gave their island to survive...
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Unread postby gego » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 12:45:40

Destroyed by government.
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Unread postby firestarter » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 13:05:04

... not compatible with the organized--criminal-- state.
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Re: Justice and Freedom are...

Unread postby NEOPO » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 14:16:21

...new flavors of Ben and Jerry's ice cream? 8)
It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved.
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Unread postby kevincarter » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 14:32:53

...a direct threat to Power Elite.

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Re: Justice and Freedom are...

Unread postby hippiegunlover » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 15:15:23

urban legends?

the opposite of inequality and slavery?

are no longer ours?
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Re: Justice and Freedom are...

Unread postby Cobra_Strike » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 15:40:28

...void were prohibited*


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Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 16:09:30

...useful concepts for politicians to wax eloquent about during election campaigns.
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Unread postby seldom_seen » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 16:14:25

inversely proportional to the size of the population.
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Re: Justice and Freedom are...

Unread postby Polemic » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 17:07:55

Justice avenges wrongs perpetrated against people by other people. When there exists justice in a society, there is an effective deterrent against crime.

Freedom protects us from government tyranny.

Those two things depend a few preconditions:

* That a population be inherently intelligent -- above a threshold average IQ level or reasoning ability.

* That a population exhibits enlightened self-interest (believes that to help one's neighbor is to help oneself) and has a future-oriented time horizon (willing to sacrifice today for greater reward tomorrow.)

* That a population has an average personality which leans towards integrity, reserve, and discipline -- NOT prone to impulsiveness, violence or degeneracy.


For those reasons, you will basically only find anything remotely approaching justice or freedom in White countries (and some East Asian.)
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Re: Justice and Freedom are...

Unread postby basil_hayden » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 17:10:02

...as good as money can buy.
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Unread postby Laughs_Last » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 18:02:31

... types of fried potato.
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Re: Justice and Freedom are...

Unread postby KhanCEO » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 18:13:38

...........a really bad joke that no one understands.
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Re: Justice and Freedom are...

Unread postby JustinFrankl » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 20:35:56

... as Justice and Freedom do. That's what my momma used to say.
"We have seen the enemy, and he is us." -- Walt Kelly
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Re: Justice and Freedom are...

Unread postby JPL » Fri 29 Dec 2006, 20:40:28

...Also described in Plato's 'Republic' as the core values of Civilisation :o(

Plato goes on to say that most of us live in a world of cave-shadows, like images cast upon the back-wall by unseen players who dance between us and the light in the mouth of what he called 'the cave'.

I guess in a modern context the 'shadow players' are the PTB and the back of the cave are the MSM.

Fun, isn't it?

Plato's Enlightened Man is the one that sees the shadow-play & the cave, for what it is - an illusion cast upon the minds of the populace by the would-be rulers.

Then he climbs out of the cave, and sees the sunlight and the real world for the first time.

Some pass on from this point, and vanish into lands and worlds unknown. Others descend back into the cave, and try to awaken their fellows.

So... welcome to 'THE LIGHT'...

Now what are YOU going to do???

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Re: Justice and Freedom are...

Unread postby savethehumans » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 03:45:33

. . .science fiction?
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Unread postby JustinFrankl » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 13:14:53

JPL wrote:...Also described in Plato's 'Republic' as the core values of Civilisation :o(

Plato goes on to say that most of us live in a world of cave-shadows, like images cast upon the back-wall by unseen players who dance between us and the light in the mouth of what he called 'the cave'.

Ok, but the shadows of "Justice" and "Freedom" that the slavemaster sees on the wall bear no relation to the shadows of "Justice" and "Freedom" that his chattel see.
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