Politicians in many districts who vote for a draft will find themselves out of office at the next election.
sheilach wrote:
And we want it and will kill anyone that gets in the way, including innocent Iraqi men, women and children!!
How low the US has fallen!!!
WE are a ROGUE TERRORIST NATION!!!
Lower the flag, it's time to morn the loss of America the just and free.
Under that paradigm, those opposed to the draft will be a small and marginalized minority - one that is distinctly unpopular.
Finally got around to that Noam Chomsky reading eh? Took you long enough.
is OT, but to answer sheliach:
Gasoline inventories in the us are fairly large at the moment even though crude oil inventories are still falling. Gasoline demand is actually down .02% from this time last year, but distilate is up more than 6%!
And of course, if the economy really tanks, joining the military may be the ticket to survival. Food, shelter, and clothing, all provided courtesy of Uncle Sam. Hard to beat that, if no other jobs are available.
Wouldn't the cost of that 'survival' be rather stiff?
Would you kill your sister,father, mother, brother or nice neighbor if that was the only 'job' available?
I can't answer that, and I don't think anyone can, unless they've actually been in the situation. Basically, it's the lifeboat question: do you sacrifice a few to save the rest, or do you all die? We may like to think we'd do something fair, like draw lots,
I will give a hint though, it had to do with a song that the Beatles came out with regarding a new constitution. Specifically, I am referring to the line in the song during the chorus that comes immediately after, "I tip my hat to the new constitution," If you have heard this song, you will know what I am talking about. If you have not heard of this song search on Goggle for it.
sheilach wrote:So if OUR "vote" cannot ELECT the president, why call this mess a "democracy"???
United States Constitution, Article II, Section I wrote:The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:
Each State shall appoint, in such a Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress; but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by ballot for two Persons, of whom one of least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, and if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot on of them for President; and if no person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List she said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chasing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; a quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member of Members of two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the person having the greatest number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot of the Vice President.*
The Congress may determine the Time of Chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States of America.
Ammendment XII of the United States Constitution, Ratified 06/15/1804 wrote:The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;
The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;
The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.
The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two- thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
The United States of America is not a democracy, it is a Constitutional Republic.
The electors do the voting for the president and vice president and they are NOT obliged to follow the POPULAR vote.
Even though the previous SELECTION was clearly corrupt and manipulated, congress and the senate DID NOTHING to stop the SELECTION of G.W.Bush by the so called "supreme" court.
Where does it say in the constitution that the SUPREME COURT can SELECT the president??
This system has become so corrupt, I fear what will happen as oil and natural gas decline and the military industrial complex no longer has the fuel to wage it's wars of occupation and seizure of countries and raw materials to "protect our (the corporations) interests".
I am also sick and tired of talk show hosts who claim that us Americans are sitting on our duff as this corruption runs rampant.
What the hell can WE do about it???
Our "vote" is worthless, "our representatives" represent themselves and the corporations, we can only protest in chain link fenced, concertina topped, isolated so called "free speech zones"?
Does any other so called "democracy" lock up it's citizens who dare to protest peacfully into fenced in "free speech zones"?
I don't know of any.
All protestors to the establishment are kept out of sight of the cameras who can only show the flag waving "sheeple" who "support" those in power.
We can be detained without charge, denied legal advice, detained indefinately without our friends and family having any idea what happend to us, we simply can "dissapear" just as people do in dictatorships.
So what's the use of "voting" for president when our vote doesn't matter?
The ELECTORS who are appointed by the STATE have the vote, not us.
This so called "representative"constitutional repuglic doesn't represent US and never has.
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