Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

Which kind of energy advocate are you?

Discussions of conventional and alternative energy production technologies.

Which of these is nearest to you?

I have a good overall knowledge of nearly all the science and technology on this forum, at least in theory
18
38%
I have expert knowledge of at least 3 real technologies
4
9%
I consider myself expert in a single real technology
5
11%
I consider myself an expert in a future technology
1
2%
I have no expertise but think that real technology is the future
3
6%
I have no expertise but think that future technology in >10 years is the answer
5
11%
I have no expertise but think that future technology in <10 years is the answer
2
4%
I believe that the future must lie with free energy, perpetual motion or other system we know nothing about at this time
0
No votes
I'm so ignorant, I haven't a clue where we going
6
13%
There is no future, so energy expertise is not required
3
6%
 
Total votes : 47

Which kind of energy advocate are you?

Unread postby Devil » Sat 23 Apr 2005, 06:12:56

The various energy posts on this forum range from the sublime to the ridiculous. It may be interesting how the forum users see themselves. So please be critical and evaluate yourself as closely as you can into the nearest of these categories.

By "real technology", I mean one that it is already exploited, such as wind, hydro, nuclear hybrid cars, excluding anything which is still in development, such as large-scale biomass, fuel cell cars, fission etc., which I class as future technology.

Unfortunately, I could not add sufficient categories, so have to make do with these.
Devil
User avatar
Devil
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 816
Joined: Tue 06 Jul 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Cyprus

Unread postby killJOY » Sat 23 Apr 2005, 08:59:30

I admit to ignorance.

Even though I read constantly, and can talk to people about the laws of thermodynamics, peak oil theory, the "viability" of alternatives, EROEI, etc., I'm no expert at anything. I'm just a skeptic.

I see energy demand rising while energy "sources" get more and more difficult to obtain, that's all.
Peak oil = comet Kohoutek.
User avatar
killJOY
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2220
Joined: Mon 21 Feb 2005, 04:00:00
Location: ^NNE^

Unread postby 0mar » Sat 23 Apr 2005, 12:31:04

I did general knowledge but I also wanted to put down

"I consider myself expert in a single real/future technology"

Because I'm getting my PhD in alternative fuel design by using agricultural waste and transforming them into biodiesal. It's not a viable alternative for the entire transportation grid, but meh.
Joseph Stalin
"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. "
User avatar
0mar
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1499
Joined: Tue 12 Oct 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Davis, California

Re: Which kind of energy advocate are you?

Unread postby DamianB » Sat 23 Apr 2005, 18:46:11

Devil wrote:... excluding anything which is still in development, such as large-scale biomass


For info, large-scale biomass is a big thing in continental Europe and has been for decades.

Energy from biomass provides about 13% (130 PJ) of Austrian primary energy consumption. The greatest part of this bio-energy use (60%) can be attributed to traditional stoves and boilers, fired with wood-logs. In the last 15 years a new technology for providing domestic heating in rural areas was introduced: small scale district heating plants, that use wood chips, industrial wood wastes and straw as fuel. By 1998 more than 300 Biomass District Heating Plants (BMDH) have been established. This example of technology introduction gives an opportunity to study closely the interaction between driving forces and barriers that finally led to widespread technology deployment.

http://www.eva.ac.at/projekte/biomass.htm

The development of fluidized-bed-combustion technology over the past 20 years has significantly increased the use of various biomass and waste products in power and heat generation. In Finland, for example, the installed capacity of fluidized-bed boilers has already reached 1,200 megawatts.

http://www.memagazine.org/backissues/oc ... omass.html
"If the complexity of our economies is impossible to sustain [with likely future oil supply], our best hope is to start to dismantle them before they collapse." George Monbiot
User avatar
DamianB
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 66
Joined: Wed 19 Jan 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Dorset, England

Unread postby pilferage » Sat 23 Apr 2005, 19:30:25

I'd say I have the ability to discriminate at an 'expert' level, however I have very little practical information to go off of besides hearsay and quotes. Does anyone know of a good source of published material regarding energy efficiency?
The only thing I'm confident enough to say is that on suitable roads, the bicycle (and it's power source, the human body) trumps everything else when it comes to energy efficiency.
"Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. "
User avatar
pilferage
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 553
Joined: Sun 21 Nov 2004, 04:00:00
Location: ~170ft/lbs@0rpm (on my bike)

Re: Which kind of energy advocate are you?

Unread postby Devil » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 04:44:32

DamianB wrote:
Devil wrote:... excluding anything which is still in development, such as large-scale biomass


For info, large-scale biomass is a big thing in continental Europe and has been for decades.

Energy from biomass provides about 13% (130 PJ) of Austrian primary energy consumption. The greatest part of this bio-energy use (60%) can be attributed to traditional stoves and boilers, fired with wood-logs. In the last 15 years a new technology for providing domestic heating in rural areas was introduced: small scale district heating plants, that use wood chips, industrial wood wastes and straw as fuel. By 1998 more than 300 Biomass District Heating Plants (BMDH) have been established. This example of technology introduction gives an opportunity to study closely the interaction between driving forces and barriers that finally led to widespread technology deployment.

http://www.eva.ac.at/projekte/biomass.htm

The development of fluidized-bed-combustion technology over the past 20 years has significantly increased the use of various biomass and waste products in power and heat generation. In Finland, for example, the installed capacity of fluidized-bed boilers has already reached 1,200 megawatts.

http://www.memagazine.org/backissues/oc ... omass.html


Sorry, putting a log into a stove is hardly "large scale" and the quote you make re BMDH specifically uses the term "small scale". The Finnish example is more large-scale locally, but this is still minute on a world scale and is so successful, to boot, that the Finns have ordered a nuclear power station to be put into service in a few years!

So far, with 24 votes, I'm amused by the results of the poll, but I won't comment yet.
Devil
User avatar
Devil
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 816
Joined: Tue 06 Jul 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Cyprus

Unread postby Pops » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 09:40:53

Wow, I’m impressed with the level of knowledge and expertise here! You’d think we would have figured this thing out by now.

I’m no expert at anything, although I’m fairly well versed in the use of elbow grease to perform work.

Actually, my family and I are involved in an ongoing experiment regarding chaos theory as it relates to hand tools; my hypothesis that if we can leave enough tools scattered everywhere, at some point, no matter where I reach, the correct tool will be there. This would be a great energy saving breakthrough!

So far however the results are disappointing.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
User avatar
Pops
Elite
Elite
 
Posts: 19746
Joined: Sat 03 Apr 2004, 04:00:00
Location: QuikSac for a 6-Pac

Unread postby johnmarkos » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 13:08:32

I put, "I'm so ignorant, I haven't a clue where we're going."

I don't have much first hand knowledge of any alternative energy technology, except maybe bicycles, which I think will play a big part in the future.

Nonetheless, I did take physics and chemistry in high school and college and I can tell you when something won't work sometimes.

And I love to speculate about the future. I do the reading, too.
User avatar
johnmarkos
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 865
Joined: Wed 19 May 2004, 03:00:00
Location: San Francisco, California

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 13:26:43

I put that I have a good overall knowledge but I would only be able to put two different technologies to practical use on my own.
User avatar
uNkNowN ElEmEnt
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2587
Joined: Sat 04 Dec 2004, 04:00:00
Location: perpetual state of exhaustion

Unread postby mididoctors » Thu 28 Apr 2005, 04:56:02

low turnout for the poll is my observation.

IWHT a mix of current technologies is the immediate short to medium future..

you could argue Solar requires breakthroughs in nano tech at least in application

I am not a energy technology expert

Boris
london
User avatar
mididoctors
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 578
Joined: Mon 30 Aug 2004, 03:00:00
Location: London

Unread postby Devil » Thu 28 Apr 2005, 06:17:27

OK, after a few days and 36 responses, nearly half claim to be overall experts in all the science and technology. It's a pity all the same guys don't contribute to the debates, because very few who do debate actually display much real knowledge! :-D :-D :lol: :lol:

BTW, as I had to vote to be able to see the results, I did NOT vote for the first choice. Yet I believe I am amongst the more knowledgeable of the participants here. So there are 17 with a better knowledge than I. Wow! That IS impressive! :roll: :roll:
Devil
User avatar
Devil
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 816
Joined: Tue 06 Jul 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Cyprus

Unread postby gg3 » Thu 28 Apr 2005, 07:29:24

Nuclear fission is a present-day technology, not a future technology; you must have meant fusion. Biomass is a viable technology, with large-scale biodiesel plants coming online in Europe, the UK, and if I'm not mistaken, in the US.


I consider myself an expert on:

Wind; spent a year doing engineering design and financial projections for a utility-scale wind project, including design of wind survey, design of improved survey equipment, evaluation of turbine types, logistical planning for construction, evaluation of equipment & methods, business plan development and writing, spreadsheets for five-year projections, etc. etc.

Energy efficiency technologies; most clearly with regard to telecommuting infrastructure, which counts because it directly takes cars off the road. I'm a telecoms engineer, have been in the field for 20+ years. For more, see www.cooperative-digital.com, click on the link for telecommuting, and click the sub-links for the pages within the telecommute section. Yes, I wrote all that:-). I also designed the OutRoute feature for telecommuters, which has been adopted by Panasonic as part of the firmware in its new-generation KXTDA telephone switches and KXTVS voicemail units.

Waste management; extensive background study and practical design for solid waste recycling, waste-to-energy, and municipal composting systems for small-town developments. Design & implementation of curbside recycling in a small northeastern town. Original equipment designs for source-separation technologies. Etc.


Experience or good working knowledge though not at expert level:

Involvement in a 2-year project to evaluate sustainable energy technologies, including evaluation of claims related to "zero point energy" devices (I've already posted my results & opinions on *that* topic in a number of places on this site, quick summary is that the ZP theory is interesting as pure science, but no reliable & replicable ZP technologies were observed.)

Decent layperson's knowledge of nuclear fission. In fact in college during the Three Mile Island incident I gave a couple of mini-lectures about why it was unlikely that the plant would suffer a catastrophic radiation release, and that was at a time when I was opposed to nuclear power due to the issues around nuclear waste management. (Needless to say I've long since decided that climate change is a far more significant issue, and have been supporting nuclear power strongly as a result.)

Decent layperson's knowledge of general science & engineering, and a geek mindset to go with it!:-)
User avatar
gg3
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 3271
Joined: Mon 24 May 2004, 03:00:00
Location: California, USA

Unread postby PhilBiker » Thu 28 Apr 2005, 11:51:31

As much as I'm an advocate of nuclear energy, specifically latest generation fission reactors, I had to honestly answer "There is no future, so energy expertise is not required". :cry:
PhilBiker
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1246
Joined: Wed 30 Jun 2004, 03:00:00


Return to Energy Technology

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 9 guests