Tyler_JC wrote:I saw that article too.
Unbelievable.
And we get lectured about Kyoto...
In 2006, US CO2 emissions fell by .3% (not nearly enough to make a difference but it's a start), in Europe emissions ROSE by 1.8%.
In the years between 2000 and 2006, Europe's emissions rose by more than 1% per year, America's emissions rose by only .4% per year.
Both need to reduce their emissions but it's clear that the Europeans are not blameless on this one.
Source
They are aghast at the renaissance of coal, a fuel more commonly associated with the sooty factories of Dickens novels, and one that was on its way out just a decade ago.
Tyler_JC wrote:I saw that article too.
Unbelievable.
And we get lectured about Kyoto...
In 2006, US CO2 emissions fell by .3% (not nearly enough to make a difference but it's a start), in Europe emissions ROSE by 1.8%.
In the years between 2000 and 2006, Europe's emissions rose by more than 1% per year, America's emissions rose by only .4% per year.
Both need to reduce their emissions but it's clear that the Europeans are not blameless on this one.
Source
Plantagenet wrote:Thanks Europe.
Why not pick the absolutely worst power systems to build that you can in terms of CO2 pollution. Oh thats right.....you already are.
Ainan wrote:Plantagenet wrote:Thanks Europe.
Why not pick the absolutely worst power systems to build that you can in terms of CO2 pollution. Oh thats right.....you already are.
Oh haven't you heard? Oil is running out! .
seldom_seen wrote: next in line is the wholesale leveling of standing forests for cooking and heating.
EnergyUnlimited wrote:Germans must build more coal fired plants as a backup to unreliable wind capacity.
That means, more windmill capacity equals more coal fired plants until coal last.
seldom_seen wrote:They are aghast at the renaissance of coal, a fuel more commonly associated with the sooty factories of Dickens novels, and one that was on its way out just a decade ago.
The industrial revolution in reverse. Predicted on these forums for many moons. Unfortunately, next in line is the wholesale leveling of standing forests for cooking and heating.
In other words within 5 years using coal, Europe will install 10 times the electrical production equivalent of all wind mills installed for the past 20 years.European countries are expected to put into operation about 50 coal-fired plants over the next five years,
The UK is one of several European governments allowing energy industry representatives to help draw up the European Union’s (EU) new air pollution standards, a Greenpeace investigation has found.
The EU is currently in the process of drafting new standards to limit pollution from coal-fired power stations. However, this “once-in-a-decade opportunity” has been captured by the coal industry Greenpeace claims and could result in “extremely lax” emission limits.
“Not only would most of the existing plants be allowed to pollute several times more than could be achieved by adopting the best clean technologies available,” the environmental NGO said, “but EU standards would also be significantly weaker than those imposed in other parts of the world, including China.”
Greenpeace analysed the backgrounds of hundreds of representatives appointed by governments to sit on a key official group that is formulating new limits on air pollution across Europe.
Industry Representatives
It found that out of 352 members of the technical working group, 183 are either employed by the energy companies that are being regulated or by lobby groups that represent those companies.
“This means, that the polluters are designing the regulations intended to govern their own industry,” Greenpeace said. “Europe is allowing the polluters to set their own standards.”
Seven EU countries in particular are responsible for the vast majority of comments seeking to weaken the emission limits: Poland, Czech Republic, Greece, Germany, France, Spain and the UK.
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