What_Went_Wrong wrote:Out of my 2 years of reading these forums I never noticed the subject covered, if it has been I apologize.
If we had never drilled oil and burnt it off at the rate we did, is there a possibility it would have become a major environmental issue itself in 100's or 1000's of years time? Would the pressure have gotten so much that the ground above oil fields would have exploded in time? I have no idea on this subject, I'm just wondering.
From what I understand the amounts of oil only increase when there was significant global warming on the planet that helped 'cook' the vegetation ect. So I guess we were someway off the grounds exploding.
(on that thought, as we all die off and the climate heats up even further due to our self inflicted GW, then we ourself could become the base for the next oil fields, not sure if it would work like that but an interesting thought)
I'm not really at all informed about any of this so hit me with some statistics and opinions please
What_Went_Wrong wrote:Out of my 2 years of reading these forums I never noticed the subject covered, if it has been I apologize.
If we had never drilled oil and burnt it off at the rate we did, is there a possibility it would have become a major environmental issue itself in 100's or 1000's of years time? Would the pressure have gotten so much that the ground above oil fields would have exploded in time? I have no idea on this subject, I'm just wondering.
From what I understand the amounts of oil only increase when there was significant global warming on the planet that helped 'cook' the vegetation ect. So I guess we were someway off the grounds exploding.
(on that thought, as we all die off and the climate heats up even further due to our self inflicted GW, then we ourself could become the base for the next oil fields, not sure if it would work like that but an interesting thought)
I'm not really at all informed about any of this so hit me with some statistics and opinions please
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Tanada wrote:The short answer is, no the oil and natural gas are pretty much stuck in those geological traps unless we break them out. There have always been and probably always will be natural seeps, places where something has cracked the trap and natural gas or petroleum is slowly being released on the surface. Think of it this way, if you are squeezing a bolwling ball from all directions you can crush it down to a smaller volume, but you need a huge pressure to do so. The petroleum and natural gas in thos geological traps is already crushed by the weight of all the rock/soil/water between them and the surface. If there is a tiny crack they will find it and seep out, otherwise they will stay where they are.
Grifter wrote:Please correct me if I'm wrong. Man has never managed to compress solid or liquid. Only gas.
I promise you I'm not being a troll or anything. But are you saying that organic matter gets compressed as well as other stuff and that forms oil?
Grifter wrote:Tanada wrote:The short answer is, no the oil and natural gas are pretty much stuck in those geological traps unless we break them out. There have always been and probably always will be natural seeps, places where something has cracked the trap and natural gas or petroleum is slowly being released on the surface. Think of it this way, if you are squeezing a bolwling ball from all directions you can crush it down to a smaller volume, but you need a huge pressure to do so. The petroleum and natural gas in those geological traps is already crushed by the weight of all the rock/soil/water between them and the surface. If there is a tiny crack they will find it and seep out, otherwise they will stay where they are.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Man has never managed to compress solid or liquid. Only gas.
I promise you I'm not being a troll or anything. But are you saying that organic matter gets compressed as well as other stuff and that forms oil?
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
What_Went_Wrong wrote:I'm not by any means suggesting it's good we drilled oil, was just wondering if at any time in the planets history it might have become a problem if it was left as it is. Sure I could read up on it, I was just hoping someone in the know would enjoy sharing some knowledge. If not, then off I go on some research.
I follow GW, mostly the situation with the gulf stream.
What do you mean about unlinking my mind between oil/economic issues?
JPL wrote:What_Went_Wrong wrote:I'm not by any means suggesting it's good we drilled oil, was just wondering if at any time in the planets history it might have become a problem if it was left as it is. Sure I could read up on it, I was just hoping someone in the know would enjoy sharing some knowledge. If not, then off I go on some research.
I follow GW, mostly the situation with the gulf stream.
What do you mean about unlinking my mind between oil/economic issues?
Oh forget it, I'm off to put the horses to bed and then go and get pissed. Figure it out for yourself.
JPL
What_Went_Wrong wrote:JPL wrote:What_Went_Wrong wrote:I'm not by any means suggesting it's good we drilled oil, was just wondering if at any time in the planets history it might have become a problem if it was left as it is. Sure I could read up on it, I was just hoping someone in the know would enjoy sharing some knowledge. If not, then off I go on some research.
I follow GW, mostly the situation with the gulf stream.
What do you mean about unlinking my mind between oil/economic issues?
Oh forget it, I'm off to put the horses to bed and then go and get pissed. Figure it out for yourself.
JPL
Ah, an elitist doomer I see
I love how in so many of your posts you like to big yourself up by telling everyone the various farm related task you are about to do after finishing posting. If you didn't like my thread, or me, there was no need to post in it. I did nothing to provoke your subtlety insulting reactions.
Get over yourself.
EDIT: Thanks to everyone who responded to this with respect or just simply clicked the back button, it's been interesting reading.
Grifter wrote:
Just don't think about it WWW, JPL makes some fine posts. I'm not that bothered about Tanada suggesting I'm the proof of a failing education system
What_Went_Wrong wrote:
I brought part of an allotment today, probably pointless again but hey, I just wanna try and be proactive somehow and my preparations are in an early stage.
Grifter wrote:Just don't think about it WWW, JPL makes some fine posts. I'm not that bothered about Tanada suggesting I'm the proof of a failing education system
Dad says this is the best kind of a school, that a university consists of a log with a teacher on one end and a pupil on the other. But Dad is a sort of romantic.
—Robert A. Heinlein, Farmer in the Sky (1950)
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Tanada wrote:Grifter wrote:Just don't think about it WWW, JPL makes some fine posts. I'm not that bothered about Tanada suggesting I'm the proof of a failing education system
No insult to your intelligence was intended, I just get very frustrated when basic science materials have not been inculcated to the younger generation. The insult is to the modern educational institutions, not the students who as questions in hopes of learning.
There is a quote about education I have always been fond of by Robert Heinlein.Dad says this is the best kind of a school, that a university consists of a log with a teacher on one end and a pupil on the other. But Dad is a sort of romantic.
—Robert A. Heinlein, Farmer in the Sky (1950)
So as they say, the only dumb question is the one you are afraid to ask. Ask away!
JPL wrote:Oops, OK, sorry (mumble). Sometimes I get a bit hacked-off and the reason probably wasn't anything to do with the original post. I just have a chip on my shoulder about people asking others to do their thinking for them (growl - but it wasn't intended as a personal attack).
JPL
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