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Unread postby C8 » Thu 14 Jul 2022, 18:46:39

Famine feared if inflation in Mexico is not controlled, economist says
by: Salvador Rivera

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TIJUANA (Border Report) — One of Mexico’s most renowned economists is predicting Mexico will reach a 10 percent inflation rate by the end of the year, which would be “disastrous and could lead to famine in some parts of the country.”

Enrique Rovirosa Miramontes, who leads a college of economists in Baja California, claims seven out of 10 residents in Mexico are already having a hard time keeping up and not being able to afford the cost of food and bare necessities.

Due in part to this prediction and others like it, some banks in Mexico have begun working with the Mexican government to limit inflation.

“The entire world knows if inflation goes uncontrolled like we’re seeing now, it will have a lot of negative and serious effects in our country’s economic growth and others that depend on it,” said Agustín Carstens, director of Mexico’s Bank of International Payments.

As for the state of Baja California, directly south of California, Rovirosa Miramontes is reporting inflation currently sits at just under 9 percent for the month of June.

But Carstens warns prices for basic foods are spiraling upward by more than 13 percent.

Rovirosa Miramontes and some of his colleagues have been tracking the cost of 21 basic food products since the beginning of the year.

These economists also looked at energy and fuel prices and discovered additional costs for consumers.

They discovered the price of liquid gas, used in stoves, is up 18.5 percent since January.

Electricity, which increased in price by 27 percent in 2021, is up another 13 percent this year already.


Expect more migration across the border- its about eating. They are also paying the price for the bloated, inefficient Pemex nepotism/union complex that underperforms.
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Re: General News of the Impact of Resource Depletion on Nati

Unread postby C8 » Thu 14 Jul 2022, 18:53:01

Week of gang battles kills dozens, deepens fuel crisis in Haiti

A week of gang violence in Haiti’s capital has left at least 89 people dead, a rights group said Wednesday, as soaring prices, fuel shortages and gang warfare accelerate a brutal downward spiral in the security situation in Port-au-Prince.

The unrest erupted on July 7 between two rival factions in Cite Soleil, an impoverished and densely populated neighborhood of Port-au-Prince.

As gunfire crackled in the slums for nearly a week, police, short-staffed and ill-equipped, did not intervene, while international humanitarian organizations struggled to deliver crucial food supplies and provide medical care to the victims.

Thousands of families living in the slums that have sprung up here over the past four decades had no choice but to hide inside their homes, unable to fetch food or water—and, with many houses made of sheet metal, dozens of residents fell victim to stray bullets.

“At least 89 people were killed and 16 others are missing” in the past week’s violence, the National Human Rights Defense Network said in a statement, adding that another 74 people sustained gunshot or knife wounds.

Mumuza Muhindo, head of the local mission of Doctors Without Borders, on Wednesday urged all combatants to allow medics to safely access Brooklyn, an area of Cite Soleil most affected by the violence.

Despite the danger, Muhindo said his group has operated on an average of 15 patients a day since last Friday.

He said his colleagues have seen burned and rotting corpses along a road leading to the Brooklyn neighborhood, possibly either gang members killed in the clashes or people trying to flee.

“It’s a real battlefield,” Muhindo said. “It’s impossible to estimate how many people have been killed.”

Fuel crisis
Cite Soleil is home to an oil terminal that supplies the capital and all of northern Haiti, so the clashes have had a devastating effect on the region’s economy and people’s daily lives.

Gas stations in Port-au-Prince don’t have any gas to sell, causing prices on the black market to skyrocket.


Outraged, motorcycle cab drivers built barricades on some of the city’s main roads on Wednesday, and residents were only able to make short trips by motorcycle within their neighborhoods, according to AFP journalists on the scene.

That further complicates their already dangerous situation: for the past several years, Haiti has seen a wave of mass kidnappings, as gangs snatch people of all walks of life, including foreigners, off the streets.

Emboldened by police inaction, gangs have become increasingly brazen in recent weeks. At least 155 kidnappings took place in the month of June, compared to 118 in May, according to a report released by the Center for Analysis and Research in Human Rights released Wednesday.

‘A significant increase in hunger’
The crushing poverty and widespread violence is causing many Haitians to flee to the Dominican Republic, with which Haiti shares a border, or to the United States.

With no money and no visas, many of them risk their lives by boarding makeshift boats in the hopes of reaching Florida.

Many end up in Cuba or the Bahamas, or are stopped at sea by American authorities and returned home.

More than 1,200 undocumented migrants were sent back to Haiti in the month of June alone, according to government figures.

When they return, they have to face the poverty they tried to escape and annual inflation of 20 percent, with economists warning that that it could spike further to 30 percent because of the global reverberations of Russia’s war in Ukraine.

“We are seeing a significant increase in hunger in the capital and in the south of the country, with Port-au-Prince hit the hardest,” Jean-Martin Bauer, director of the World Food Program, said on Tuesday.

Nearly half Haiti’s 11 million residents already face food shortages, including 1.3 million who are facing a humanitarian emergency, which precedes famine, according to UN calculations.

But the violence interferes with efforts to help them also: already the WFP, trying to bypass areas of Port-au-Prince, seeks to deliver aid to the south and north of the country


https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20 ... s-in-haiti

Haiti is simply too violent and corrupt to ever become prosperous- it is very dangerous to travel there. They have lots of sun and wind but any renewable energy project would be stripped bare in a heartbeat by thieves.

Lack of order magnifies all resource depletion issues.
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Unread postby C8 » Thu 14 Jul 2022, 19:06:05

Teargas, live bullets in Jinja as motorists protest skyrocketing fuel prices

Jinja, Uganda | THE INDEPENDENT | Police have used teargas and live bullets to disperse motorcyclists who had staged protests in Jinja over the skyrocketing fuel prices.

The motorcyclists staged protests within different trading centres along the Jinja-Kamuli highway, where they placed and lit logs and old car tyres in the middle of the roads. The protests were largely held in the trading centers of Mafubira, Namulesa, Wakitaka, Nakabango, Nsuube, Muguluka and Buwenge.

The protestors also attacked their colleagues who had failed to join the protest forcing a number of them to abandon the main road for feeder roads. They also pelted stones at police officers who had been called in to quell the protests.

Fuel prices have skyrocketed in recent months hitting a high of 6,300 Shillings for a litre of petrol and 6,200 for a litre of diesel at pump stations in major towns across the country. This is almost double, the cost of the same fuel product over the last one year.

Alimansi Mugerwa, a motorcyclist operating in the area faults legislators for failing to address the issue affecting their electorate. Another motorcyclist Joseph Mukose says that many of them cannot earn enough to support their families with the current cost of fuel.

“The cost of fuel in Uganda is the highest within the East African Community-EAC, but with this price discrepancy still, our area MPs have neither come out to educate us on this abnormally, neither do they use the parliamentary platform to agitate for us on the same,” he says.

While addressing journalists on the same, the Kiira regional police spokesperson James Mubi said that intelligence reports implicate a section of individuals employing motorcyclists to fuel the protest over unknown gains.

Mubi stresses that footage retrieved from their highway CCTV cameras showcases a numberless saloon car, which was making stopovers at different points along the Jinja-Kamuli highway and issuing whistles, vuvuzelas, and old tyres, among other unidentified items to random motorcyclists with the aim of aiding the protest.


https://www.independent.co.ug/teargas-l ... el-prices/

Notice the use of live bullets- countries are getting too cash strapped or intolerant to take prisoners
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Re: General News of the Impact of Resource Depletion on Nati

Unread postby JuanP » Thu 14 Jul 2022, 21:39:04

C8 wrote:Haiti is simply too violent and corrupt to ever become prosperous- it is very dangerous to travel there. They have lots of sun and wind but any renewable energy project would be stripped bare in a heartbeat by thieves.

Lack of order magnifies all resource depletion issues.


For those of you who have never seen the images, I highly recommend going to Google maps and checking the satellite images of Hispaniola Island. The Haitian part of the island is all exposed topsoil with a lot of erosion while the Dominican Republic part is like a green tropical island paradise. Zoom in on the border for some mind-blowing images. I've spent some time checking out satellite images of Hispaniola these past few months and was blown away by the environmental destruction in Haiti.
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Unread postby C8 » Thu 14 Jul 2022, 22:30:47

Mexican Thieves Stealing $1 Billion Of Liquefied Petroleum Gas A Year

THURSDAY, JUL 14, 2022 - 08:40 PM
In a dangerous game of wack-a-mole, Mexico nearly eliminated rampant gasoline pipeline thefts only to now see cartels and common thieves stealing $1 billion worth of liquified petroleum gas (LPG) each year from state-owned Petroleos Mexicanos, or Pemex.

Under Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, theft from gasoline and diesel pipelines plummeted 94% after he deployed the National Guard and military surveillance to watch over the supply arteries. The glow of that success has been dulled, however, as criminals have switched to tapping the country's 1,000 miles of LPG pipelines.

Pemex found more than 2,400 illegal taps last year—up more than 10-fold in just three years. LPG is Mexico's top source of energy for heating homes and is also used in cooking. The thieves sell directly to homeowners and food merchants, often using trucks disguised to look like legitimate delivery vehicles.

As Bloomberg Businessweek reports:

The scheme starts with a bribe; a Pemex worker is paid to tip off thieves...when LPG is running through a line and tells them where to open the valves. Then comes the dangerous part—siphoning the gas, which unlike gasoline can’t just be poured into a bucket. They must carefully connect a hose to the pipe to funnel the LPG into cylinders.

One LPG thief profiled by Businessweek sells up to 80 cylinders of gas a day for 20 to 30% below the cost of legal fuel, netting an income that's 40 times the average salary in his southeastern Mexican town. He's used his earnings to buy fancy clothes, jewelry, family vacations and several plots of land.

Like other black markets, the illicit trade in LPG is marked by violence perpetrated by the fuel thieves, who are called huachicoleros. Security guards and police have come under attacks that are often deadly. There's also violence among cartels and other thieves fighting to protect territory. Often, fuel theft is just one of an array of criminal enterprises pursued by criminal groups.

Some casualties associated with the trade are purely accidental. Residential explosions are on the rise as untrained thieves use unsafe practices in their home installations of the product.

The taps themselves are likewise perilous. In October, an illegal LPG pipeline tap was blamed for a huge explosion that killed one person, injured eight, and damaged 180 homes in San Pablo Xochimehuacán


https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/mexica ... m-gas-year

Again, without law and order there can be no prosperity. This is the future of the US if trends in leniency on criminals continues by liberal politicians and DA's.
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Re: General News of the Impact of Resource Depletion on Nati

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 14 Jul 2022, 22:43:46

C8 wrote:Again, without law and order there can be no prosperity. This is the future of the US if trends in leniency on criminals continues by liberal politicians and DA's.


Indeed. Looks like those liberal politicians in Congress sure are ready to change their leniency policy and finally drop the hammer on some coupe plotting criminals and with even a tiny bit of luck, the lead DA of the entire country might just put leniency on seditionist senior citizens to an end!!
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Unread postby C8 » Fri 15 Jul 2022, 00:29:09

US store owners are worried about shoplifting – what can be done?

There’s a war happening right now. No, it’s not in Ukraine (at least not yet). It’s on Main Street.

In Manhattan, where the New York police department reports shoplifting levels not seen in nearly 30 years, a Rite-Aid store announces it’s closing because of theft losses. Small retailers in New York have given their district attorney an earful. Residents and shop owners in San Francisco say that crime there has “spun out of control”. Chicago has been the target of “rampant” shoplifting incidents. Reports of “flash” shoplifting gangs have prompted legislators to introduce bills to protect businesses as far apart as Kenosha, Wisconsin, and Washington state.

Is this real or moral panic? Some columnists, such as Amanda Mull from the Atlantic, says that the “the deeper you search for real, objective evidence of an accelerating retail crime wave, the more difficult it is to be sure that you know anything at all”. The Los Angeles police department recently announced that robbery, burglary and theft are actually down in the city compared with 2019. An activist group in Seattle says that in some cases shoplifting is “justified”. One retail association says that retail theft would be less if Amazon and Facebook didn’t make it so easy to sell stolen goods.

When you ask retailers, they’ll tell you that shoplifting is a big and growing problem. Just ask the National Retail Federation.

Half of the respondents in that organization’s 2021 retail security survey said they saw an increase in shoplifting this past year. According to the report, theft and fraud cost retailers $62bn in 2020 and the average retail robbery netted more than $7,500 in product – a figure not seen since 2015. More disturbingly, about 69% of retailers said they have also experienced a significant increase in “organized retail crime” activity – thefts involving groups of people – over the past year. The reasons cited included the pandemic, lapse in policing and apprehension, changes to sentencing guidelines and the growth of online marketplaces like Facebook and Amazon.

Whatever the reasons, “inventory shrink” (retailer politesse for shoplifting) is above its five-year average and shoplifters are clearly striking quite a blow in their war with retailers. So how are merchants fighting back? Unfortunately, they’re having to spend.

Many of my shop-owner clients are taking the obvious internal steps. These would include making sure their stores are organized and tidy, that their employees are trained to be on alert for typical shoplifting tactics, and that mirrors are added to avoid blind spots among updated and prominent signs that warn of prosecution. A handful have hired security guards. Those with very high-dollar inventory (jewelry, say) are taking more steps to secure these products or removing them from their stores each night. Others are installing more protective glass on their exterior windows and display cases.

Many others are investing in new security systems or re-designing themselves to thwart shoplifting. A Safeway store in San Francisco, for example, has added automatic gates that immediately swing shut behind entering customers in order to prevent thieves from running out of the store with full shopping carts. Other retailers are setting up coiled wire or putting more of their items under lock and key.

The National Association of Shoplifting Prevention takes a different approach by offering retailers the opportunity to participate in “progressive shoplifting prevention” that includes encouraging “a shift in focus to long-term education and awareness solutions, rather than continuing to invest solely in physical prevention and apprehension” by making investments to “reduce recidivism to break the cycle and cure the shoplifting problem rather than continually spending money to repeatedly treat its symptoms”.

Or you could do what one small merchant in Denver is doing: charge all customers an additional 1% fee on top of everything else to cover his shoplifting losses. Calling it the “Denver crime spike fee”, the owner says it helps him to recover thousands of dollars in losses. “We’re talking about six figures [in losses] for a really small business like us, and that is meaningful,” he told the Denver Business Journal. “It impacts our employees, and, more importantly, it now is going to impact our shoppers.”

Maybe that’s what it takes to win the shoplifting war? I really hope not.


The Democratic party is transforming into becoming America's first pro-criminal party- and people are now paying a "shoplifter's tax" that will continue to grow as offenders get released to commit crimes again and again
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Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 15 Jul 2022, 05:08:15

C8 wrote:A week of gang violence in Haiti’s capital has left at least 89 people dead, a rights group said Wednesday, as soaring prices, fuel shortages and gang warfare accelerate a brutal downward spiral in the security situation in Port-au-Prince... Kidnappings, blockades, etc etc.


These "shitholes" as President Trump referred to them, need to just accept the fact they are heading back to an agrarian existence. The sooner they accept that fact and power down the more resources they can divert into sugar cane production, or whatever they choose to grow.

This is the real message of peakoil, No bike taxis, no plastic wrap for your foods, no avocados shipped up in winter. It will hit us eventually but these third world nations go down the gurgler first. I never believed in the Great Humanitarian drive to bring everyone in the 3rd world up to our standards of living, you'd have to be simple in the head to take a statement like that at face value, especially since it comes from men in $5000 suits who dine on Lobster Thermidor. No, all they cared about was EXPLOITING those nations and enslaving them in debt, as we see is the outcome today.

The patently obvious lies that the average westerner believes as truth never ceases to amaze me?
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Unread postby C8 » Fri 15 Jul 2022, 10:38:21

Car Theft Is Effectively 'Decriminalized' In London

Car theft has effectively been decriminalized in London after it was revealed that less than one per cent of vehicle thefts in the capital lead to criminal charges.

“Out of the nearly 55,000 thefts from vehicles in London last year, Scotland Yard only solved 271, representing just an 0.5 per cent success rate, according to an analysis of Home Office data conducted by The Telegraph,” reports Breitbart.

“According to the broadsheet, only two major police forces faired worse than London in successfully charging car thieves, with the West Midlands and Surrey police forces only maintaining a 0.4 per cent charging rate.”

Responding to the figures, the head of the Police Foundation think tank Rick Muir said car thefts had been “effectively decriminalized” and that this had emboldened criminals to commit more of the same crimes, knowing they are unlikely to be apprehended.

“There are certain things the public expect of police, one of which is that they will at least investigate these bread and butter crimes,” said Muir.

“Policing is going to have to look at these levels and decide if it has got it right. Where the charge rates are at that level, there is no deterrence to commit these kinds of offences and it might encourage people to commit them in future,” he added.

As we have exhaustively highlighted, while real crimes go unpunished, authorities in the UK have plenty of resources and enforcement power when it comes to punishing people for ‘offensive’ speech.

Last month, a man was jailed for 20 weeks for the ‘crime’ of posting offensive George Floyd memes in private WhatsApp and Facebook group chats.

Last year, a 50-year-old mother in Scotland was charged with a ‘transphobic hate crime’ after she retweeted an image of a suffragette ribbon.

After contacting his employers, Humberside Police interrogated a man and told him to “check his thinking” after he posted a limerick that offended a transgender person.

Harry Miller told police he did not write the limerick and merely retweeted it, but was told by an officer, “Ah. But you liked it and promoted it. It’s not a crime, but it will be recorded as a hate incident.”

In 2017, it was reported that British police had arrested 3,395 people for ‘offensive online comments’ in the space of a year.

People in the UK are routinely investigated and sometimes charged by police for “hate crimes” that have become so broad, anyone form a minority group who claims they were offended is enough for authorities to treat and record it as a “hate incident.”


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/car ... zed-london

This post highlights the two parts of a declining society due to resource depletion
1. Crime will rise as the economy gets tougher
2. The govt. will become more repressive over speech to quell public dissent by inventing new categories of speech crimes
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Unread postby AdamB » Fri 15 Jul 2022, 23:42:19

C8 wrote:The Democratic party is transforming into becoming America's first pro-criminal party- and people are now paying a "shoplifter's tax" that will continue to grow as offenders get released to commit crimes again and again


I'm not convinced they are becoming one, as more compared to...small trial ballons testing the waters. "If you just don't punish poor people for being poor" they say, everyone is good at heart, and we just need to give them more handouts! Some folks, raised in there safe white bread world, have just never met a BAD person. Someone who just doesn't doesn't understand any rules other than someone else who will force their compliance with some basic human decency rules. And how does anyone through high school in America even learn what a bully is anymore? Not this nonsense where someone confuses their gender with their sexual identity political correct nonsense, but a bully. Who hits people when the teachers aren't looking, is bigger and clever than other kids, who forces compliance with petty tyranny through size and agressiveness?

Give them leeway, and they'll take it.

Lest we forget, right now it is the Democans that are trying to keep the bullies in line at the top levels of government, I mean really if you aren't willing to prosecute traitors to the country, then there is no hope. And Republicrats want nothing to do with being pro law right now, Democans are, so maybe there is hope that just because the local Democans are being idiotic locally, they at least have some decent role models at the national level.
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Unread postby C8 » Sun 17 Jul 2022, 23:16:34

“Mass gathering in Iraq a potential sign of a summer of protests…
““Our demands in the upcoming protests will include all the rights that will preserve the dignity of Iraqis, such as improving services and providing job opportunities, drinking water, and the major calls for new elections and take down the corrupt parties in power,” Fayyad said.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/1 ... f-protests


Another civil war in Iraq? Inflation and hunger is rocking the Middle East

Protest Fears Freeze Mozambique Capital as Cost of Living Bites.
“Mozambican schools closed and office workers mostly stayed at home in the capital of Maputo as fears grew that cost-of-living protests could turn violent. The city was largely deserted and law enforcement on high alert…”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ving-bites


Things will get violent eventually in the US if inflation keeps up- watch for it

Cubans Queue Up For Days To Get Diesel Fuel…
“According to experts, the dramatic shortage of diesel fuel is the result of a “domino effect”, as authorities were forced to divert fuel from the transport sector to run power plants. Dany Pérez has spent four days in a queue of cars waiting to refuel his truck with diesel…”

https://www.republicworld.com/world-new ... eshow.html


Gas lines show a break down in socialist planning- very wasteful use of worker time

“Highway blocked as Panama protests persist…
“As protesters ignored government calls for negotiations to end the angry mobilization, dozens of blockades were maintained on the critical highway that connects the country of 4.4 million people to the rest of Central America.”

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 ... ts-persist


Didn't Ibon live there? Maybe no longer an expat paradise!

Argentines Brace for 90% Inflation After Economy Minister’s Exit.
“Argentines face the prospect of 90% inflation by year end…

“That would be the fastest pace since hyperinflation three decades ago, and the highest rate in the world outside Venezuela and Sudan, according to forecasts from the International Monetary Fund.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ter-s-exit


People who think this can't happen in the US are fooling themselves- 90% inflation !

China Home Prices Fall for 10th Month as Property Crisis Deepens…
“China’s $2.4 trillion real estate market is showing little signs of recovery. Contagion is spreading to the financial system amid reports that a rapidly growing number of homebuyers are refusing to pay mortgages for incomplete apartments. That’s alarmed investors…”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... is-deepens


Turns out running a capitalist economy under a dictatorship is damn tricky

A wave of agricultural protest has swept Europe and the wider world, as a host of issues conspire to pit farmers against national politics.
“Farmer-led protests in Germany, Italy, Spain and Poland have sprung up in the wake of action by Dutch farmers, who were first to take to the streets to complain about the impact of new emissions rules.”

https://www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk/new ... oss-globe/


The MSM is trying hard NOT to report on this!

“Like in many parts of the world, harvests underway in eastern Europe have suffered from a fertilizer crisis — and things could get worse.
“That’s according to Hungarian producer Nitrogenmuvek Zrt, which sees grain yields falling 15% to 20% this year in a region that includes major European exporters Romania and Poland. Farmers have cut nutrient usage due to high prices and supply issue.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... #xj4y7vzkg


Higher food prices coming = revolutions, massacres

“Italian debt market flashes warning as Draghi government teeters…
“The widening Italy-Germany spread — which hit 2.19 percentage points on Friday morning — highlights investors’ growing worries over politics in Rome at a time when the country also faces rising economic risks.”

https://www.ft.com/content/f01e3706-515 ... 3739767926


The EU experiment may be nearing its final stages

Electricite de France SA’s nuclear-output cuts are expected to stretch into next week as a heat wave sweeping across Europe pushes up river temperatures, restricting EDF’s ability to cool its plants…
“The restrictions threaten to push power prices — already at eye-watering levels — even higher, with the effects rippling out to other European markets.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... tures-soar


Global warming will disrupt any energy plan

We should be worrying about debt as well as inflation… total global debt today, relative to GDP, is more than double its 2006 level — and triple the 2000 ratio (when it was under 100 per cent).
“Yes, you read that right: leverage in the global economic system has risen more than three-fold this century; and the only reason that this went (mostly) unnoticed was sinking interest rates.

“So what happens now if rates increase? No one knows.” [I have a pretty good idea and it’s not free ice cream for everyone.]

https://www.ft.com/content/98a1e4c3-1a4 ... a669a54b81


World debt is exploding- this has to have disastrous consequences and will lead to mass migration and conflict everywhere. Just like the mass psychosis over Covid leading to unnecessary and ineffective lockdowns- all the central banks responded the same way- by putting their mints into overdrive
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Unread postby Newfie » Mon 18 Jul 2022, 16:25:35

Interesting note about the nukes in France.

Here in the USA we are facing water resource depletion in the West. Some have suggested diverting Mississippi or Great Lakes water to those dry areas.

Suppose, instead, we built some serious nuclear capability in the Great Lakes. This is a reasonably stable (geologically) area that has significant fresh cooling water. Instead of shipping water across country build HVDC transmission lines and send power to the SW so they can build and operate desalinization plants.
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Unread postby C8 » Mon 18 Jul 2022, 23:40:07

Newfie wrote:Interesting note about the nukes in France.

Here in the USA we are facing water resource depletion in the West. Some have suggested diverting Mississippi or Great Lakes water to those dry areas.

Suppose, instead, we built some serious nuclear capability in the Great Lakes. This is a reasonably stable (geologically) area that has significant fresh cooling water. Instead of shipping water across country build HVDC transmission lines and send power to the SW so they can build and operate desalinization plants.


Floating nukes off the shore of California would be better: they automatically sink if melting down and are free of earthquake shaking. Also, you want to keep your power generation as close as possible to your users to cut down on losing current. Long transmission lines lose more energy than short. But the Greens in California would freak- and they run the state top to bottom.
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Re: General News of the Impact of Resource Depletion on Nati

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 20 Jul 2022, 18:55:58

C8 wrote:
Newfie wrote:Interesting note about the nukes in France.

Here in the USA we are facing water resource depletion in the West. Some have suggested diverting Mississippi or Great Lakes water to those dry areas.

Suppose, instead, we built some serious nuclear capability in the Great Lakes. This is a reasonably stable (geologically) area that has significant fresh cooling water. Instead of shipping water across country build HVDC transmission lines and send power to the SW so they can build and operate desalinization plants.


Floating nukes off the shore of California would be better: they automatically sink if melting down and are free of earthquake shaking. Also, you want to keep your power generation as close as possible to your users to cut down on losing current. Long transmission lines lose more energy than short. But the Greens in California would freak- and they run the state top to bottom.


Actually floating fission power has virtually unlimited access to cooling water so a meltdown becomes highly improbable. TMI had a partial meltdown because a gauge stuck and the warning light was not visible from the operator station, compounded by human error from poor training standards. Fukushima had a meltdown because a Tsunami wrecked their emergency power to the cooling pumps for units 1-5. Unit 5 was saved by using power from the unit 6 emergency generator to power both sets of cooling pumps, but there was not enough power to spare to cool unit 1-4. If authorities had been able to fly in a helicopter with emergency generators to cycle operation of units 1-4 pumps things would have turned out differently, but with 15,000 dead or missing all aircraft were prioritized on rescue operations of those still alive and in danger. Chernobyl wasn't a meltdown despite media claims, it was a steam explosion followed by a graphite fire and no containment structure allowed the fission products to spread with the smoke. If it had been in a containment structure sealing the building would have extinguished the fire when it ran out of oxygen days sooner than it actually went out in 1986. It also would have kept the debris and smoke contained just like TMI and Fukushima containment structures did, as designed. On a floating fission power barge you can always drop a siphon hose over the side and use a common pump to refill the gravity feed tank and keep the core covered. In Fukushima the tank ran out of water because there was no pumping available for units 1-4 and therefore overheating and fuel melting occurred.
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Unread postby Newfie » Wed 20 Jul 2022, 19:12:08

I just watched David Attenborough‘s “A life on our planet” on Netflix.

It says a lot about what constitutes a resource and how they are depleted.

I recommend.
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Unread postby C8 » Thu 21 Jul 2022, 17:05:50

There are riots happening all over the world now over rising gas and food prices- its really incredible to see how many nations are in uproar- riots in over 60 nations now

In wealthier nations the protests are taking the form of blockades and strikes over wages- shutting down essential services

In China, high costs have created many bad belt and road loans to crash and the nation is putting tanks in front of banks

Many other nations are having power outages and forcing people to conserve- its causing panic

Energy costs are destabilizing the world- this is what peak oil really does look like and its a bit scary to me
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Unread postby AdamB » Thu 21 Jul 2022, 18:39:31

C8 wrote:Energy costs are destabilizing the world- this is what peak oil really does look like and its a bit scary to me


Peak oil happened 4 years ago. Hard to correlate energy price issues now with The Blessed Event when it happened so long ago...and no one noticed then, don't you think? It is almost as though....current pricing issues are related to European wars, Covid knock on demand effects, supply chain issues, refineries shut down, etc etc.
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AdamB wrote:
C8 wrote:Energy costs are destabilizing the world- this is what peak oil really does look like and its a bit scary to me


Peak oil happened 4 years ago. Hard to correlate energy price issues now with The Blessed Event when it happened so long ago...and no one noticed then, don't you think? It is almost as though....current pricing issues are related to European wars, Covid knock on demand effects, supply chain issues, refineries shut down, etc etc.


You're not going all "Q" on me are you?
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C8 wrote:
AdamB wrote:
C8 wrote:Energy costs are destabilizing the world- this is what peak oil really does look like and its a bit scary to me


Peak oil happened 4 years ago. Hard to correlate energy price issues now with The Blessed Event when it happened so long ago...and no one noticed then, don't you think? It is almost as though....current pricing issues are related to European wars, Covid knock on demand effects, supply chain issues, refineries shut down, etc etc.


You're not going all "Q" on me are you?


Hardly. I'm more of a scientist/data type. Peak oil did happen in 2018. As folks have mentioned, time needs to pass before determining if it is indeed THE ONE. There are examples of regions, including the entire world, of peaking...and then 15 or 70 or 100 years later, peaking again. So we'll just tell our children or grand children to keep their eyes open, and let them worry about being able to finally designate....THE ONE, because none of us are going to be around that far out to know for sure.
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AdamB wrote:
C8 wrote:
AdamB wrote:
C8 wrote:Energy costs are destabilizing the world- this is what peak oil really does look like and its a bit scary to me


Peak oil happened 4 years ago. Hard to correlate energy price issues now with The Blessed Event when it happened so long ago...and no one noticed then, don't you think? It is almost as though....current pricing issues are related to European wars, Covid knock on demand effects, supply chain issues, refineries shut down, etc etc.


You're not going all "Q" on me are you?


Hardly. I'm more of a scientist/data type. Peak oil did happen in 2018. As folks have mentioned, time needs to pass before determining if it is indeed THE ONE. There are examples of regions, including the entire world, of peaking...and then 15 or 70 or 100 years later, peaking again. So we'll just tell our children or grand children to keep their eyes open, and let them worry about being able to finally designate....THE ONE, because none of us are going to be around that far out to know for sure.


I think you are ignoring a crucial factor in your statement Adam. I believe "The ONE" and only global peak oil will be when crude prices remain elevated yet world crude production continues to decline. In all those other peaking events high crude price led to a boom in drilling and exploitation which caused supply to go up to a new peak. In the final peak, prices will go up but supply will not be able to grow to a still higher peak even with plenty of profit motive pushing for people to exploit every resource.
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