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If everyone in the world woke up tomorrow knowing about PO,

Unread postby mortifiedpenguin » Sun 09 Jan 2005, 00:25:28

What effects do you think this would have on the future?

I'm not sure if we could stop PO, but we would definitely slow it down. All those people working on solutions for PO, we'd be bound to come up with something.
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Unread postby SilverHair » Sun 09 Jan 2005, 01:20:15

Can you believe the number of posts on this site that wish for something other than the consequences of peak oil?

Here is another such post that somehow puts forth the hypothesis that if everyone believed in peak oil that it would go away or somehow be by miracle, solved.

Just another idiot who does not want it to be so.
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Unread postby _sluimers_ » Sun 09 Jan 2005, 04:33:39

Everyone would come up with different conclusions.
That much is clear.
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Unread postby Guest » Sun 09 Jan 2005, 06:03:24

The people in influential positions (the government, media and company execs, who ALL know about PO today I might add), would continue their denial and mis-information campaigns.

The majority of other people would be happily lulled back into complaceny and the PO scenario would continue to run its course.

Peak-oil will only become widely accepted when its consequences are too evident to deny.
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Unread postby deconstructionist » Tue 11 Jan 2005, 09:57:57

this would be horrible. there would be mass hysteria, riots, looting, civil unrest to the max. society would crumble. the economy would collapse even faster than it's going to already. millitary rule in the US would probably take a few months to kick in. we'd continue to dominate the globe millitarily to exploit oil resources. only now dissent would result in death for americans too, not just Nigerian natives and such would be killed for trying to stop oil colinization... we would eventually win control of all the oil, probably a few hundred million will have die in wars by then... the oil will STILL not be plentiful enough to maintain our lifestyles, especially since we wasted so much of it making war over it...

most people are not ready to deal with peak oil. the world will continue to get out slowly, as it should.
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Unread postby kpeavey » Sun 16 Jan 2005, 00:15:16

Most of the people in the world would not understand it and would live their lives as they always have.

Many of the rest would not accept it, ingoring it to live their lives as they always have.

Ignorance and Apathy. The scourge of man.

Those who take heed would react to various degrees. Mass hoarding would be expected, with the Ignorant and apathetic joining the melee. The resulting mass hysteria, chaos and violence would be such that law enforcement would be unable to deal with the situation, if anyone reported for duty. Murder, rape, looting on a massive scale. Violence, destruction, arson, all unstoppable, all out of control.

This is the primary reason the government is keeping quiet...Control. Their job is to ensure the country's safety, order, and the welfare of the people.
A private agenda of remaining in control may be what motivates them, but in the end, it is in the interest of both the public and the government that the public remain in the dark.
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Unread postby tmazanec1 » Sun 16 Jan 2005, 10:57:27

_sluimers_ wrote:Everyone would come up with different conclusions.
That much is clear.


LOL!
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Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sun 16 Jan 2005, 13:54:32

Here's what New York City would look like in about 5 hours.
[smilie=new_argue.gif] [smilie=qleft7.gif] [smilie=qright6.gif]
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Needless to say, the masses can't handle something like this.
In the first week of the Great Awakening, 100,000+ people would die in cities across the USA.
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Re: If everyone in the world woke up tomorrow knowing about

Unread postby MonteQuest » Sun 16 Jan 2005, 21:18:05

mortifiedpenguin wrote:What effects do you think this would have on the future?

I'm not sure if we could stop PO, but we would definitely slow it down. All those people working on solutions for PO, we'd be bound to come up with something.


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Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sun 16 Jan 2005, 21:37:24

I know one that would happen. A massive stock market crash with airlines and consumer products companies leading the plunge. Things would get difficult, fast. Martial law would be the only option to stop the riots. But not enough soldiers would show up for duty. Most would be home, protecting their families from the chaos.

A Great Awakening would basically cause a complete meltdown of society. We learned about peak oil slowly. No one woke up one morning thinking that the world was going to end in the next 5 years. The only way we can accept this is because we researched the topic and followed its logic chain. If you don't allow people to figure it out for themselves, it causes them to panic. They don't understand the timetable of it and end up causing it to happen a LOT earlier than it would normally.

It's ironic. The "Peak Oil Movement" is the only organization that fears having everyone learn about it. We really don't want the world to discover the full implications of PO...tomorrow.
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Unread postby GD » Thu 10 Feb 2005, 09:18:20

deconstructionist wrote: we'd continue to dominate the globe millitarily to exploit oil resources.

Will the soldiers abroad continue once they realise what they're fighting for? Won't we see more conscientious objectors? Would it reach a critical (turning) point?
Tyler_JC wrote:But not enough soldiers would show up for duty. Most would be home, protecting their families from the chaos.

Also, what about the gangs in the cities? I'm sure there'd be some 'hoods you wouldn't dare go near. What could we expect from them in securing territory and scrapping over food & fuel?

I'm glad I don't live in the USA with all those guns.
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Unread postby BabyPeanut » Thu 10 Feb 2005, 11:16:24

Tyler_JC wrote:Here's what New York City would look like in about 5 hours.
[smilie=new_argue.gif] [smilie=qleft7.gif] [smilie=qright6.gif]
[smilie=pain10.gif] [smilie=qleft3.gif] [smilie=qright5.gif]

I thought it already looked like that. Or maybe that's DC or Detroit.
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Unread postby aahala » Thu 10 Feb 2005, 11:29:13

This panic in the streets, a sudden total breakdown of society scenario is so unlikely it's silly. Oil is not something that will go from being in plenty one day and run out the next, or even run out in a couple of years for that matter.

We're looking at declining amounts, probably over an extended period and this may cause serious financial and standard of living losses. That's an entirely different thing than wide spread panic.
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Unread postby pea-jay » Thu 10 Feb 2005, 13:00:36

Companies that make long term decisions and investments are the clearest clue that most people dont get it. If they did, construction, investment and expansion activities would dry (unless it had a really fast payback period) up and that alone would tip the economy into recession.

People would stop paying several hundred thousand dollars for an overpriced piece of suburban crap and expect it to increase in valuations. If they did, poof, goes the housing market.

If everybody woke up and knew...you'd get an economic meltdown.

Now, lets rephrase this scenario. NASA scientists announced there is a 100% chance that in mid 2007 an asteroid would slam into earth. Most of one continent would see utter devastation and the others would feel the ill effects for years. What would you do? If you were on the affected continent? The unaffected ones?

Maybe its better the masses remain ignorant.
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