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Oil Supertanker Bookings Rise

Unread postby MonteQuest » Sun 17 Jul 2005, 00:29:59

Shipping rates double as OPEC pumps more oil? 8O

Oil Supertanker Bookings Rise to Year High in July

Shipping rates to Asia have doubled in the past three weeks after the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, which pumps about 40 percent of the world's oil, last month agreed to raise daily production quotas by 500,000 barrels to 28 million barrels. OPEC raised quotas July 1 in a bid to lower record oil prices that threatened global economic growth.

The bookings are ``clear evidence that OPEC's sailings have gone up, even by more than the 500,000 barrel-a-day increase they pledged,'' said Roy Mason, the founder of consulting company Oil Movements, based in Halifax in Britain. ``Normally bookings reach a trough during this time of the year.'' ..Freight rates to the U.S. Gulf Coast have climbed by two- thirds in just over three weeks. .


Here comes the heavy sour crude!

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Unread postby EnergySpin » Sun 17 Jul 2005, 00:33:17

heavy sour crude

I read somewhere that no one wants Saudi's extra output because it is full of Vanadium and other heavy metals. Hmmmmmmmmm time to depress IQ even more among Western children
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Unread postby MonteQuest » Sun 17 Jul 2005, 00:55:47

EnergySpin wrote:
heavy sour crude

I read somewhere that no one wants Saudi's extra output because it is full of Vanadium and other heavy metals. Hmmmmmmmmm time to depress IQ even more among Western children


Maybe they'll start "stepping on it" like they do with smack and cocaine. 8O You know, cut the sour with a little sweet or vice versa. :lol:
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Unread postby EnergySpin » Sun 17 Jul 2005, 00:58:21

Maybe they'll start "stepping on it" like they do with smack and cocaine. Shocked You know, cut the sour with a little sweet or vice versa

And it is a thermodynamically favoured reaction: mixing, destroys concentration gradient and increases entropy :-D
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Unread postby shakespear1 » Sun 17 Jul 2005, 05:12:06

Well they are the Cartel :twisted:
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Unread postby Sys1 » Sun 17 Jul 2005, 05:20:10

Sorry but if those ships are sailing though thousands of miles, i presume some countries are ok to buy this oil because THEY HAVE the possibility to refine it ... ?
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Unread postby Aaron » Sun 17 Jul 2005, 12:28:36

Sys1 wrote:Sorry but if those ships are sailing though thousands of miles, i presume some countries are ok to buy this oil because THEY HAVE the possibility to refine it ... ?


That's right...

I recently visited a sour crude refinery in Louisiana.

It's a current trend in refining in the US, to refurb decommissioned older refineries to process sour, because of the cost difference from sweet.

There are many more recent US example of this refurb strategy mainly because the EPA pollution standards and fines are smaller than for new refineries.
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Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sun 17 Jul 2005, 12:47:28

I'm curious where we stand in the US with regards to Sweet versus Sour refineries. Anyone have that data?? Like in a percentage of total refinery capacity.
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Gasoline Tanker Explodes in the Philippines

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Sun 21 Aug 2005, 17:30:02

Spilled gas causes big blast in QC
By Jing Villamente

A large blast rocked a residential subdivision in Quezon City at dawn yesterday after a Shell gas tanker spilled thousands of liters of unleaded gasoline into the sewer where it caught fire and exploded, sending heavy manhole covers flying into the air.

The fire gutted one of the shanty houses around Don Antonio Heights in QC and one resident suffered serious cuts and third-degree burns. Fifteen other people sustained minor injuries.
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Re: Gasoline Tanker Explodes in the Philippines

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Sun 21 Aug 2005, 17:31:55

Gas tanker leak sets off explosions in QC; 39 injured, 100 shanties razed
By AARON B. RECUENCO

A leak from a gasoline tanker triggered a series of explosions in a residential area in Quezon City yesterday morning, inflicting serious injuries to at least 39 people and setting at least 100 shanties on fire.

Police and fire officials have ruled out terrorism in the incident.

Arson investigators said they have yet to find out how gasoline leaked from the tanker owned by Pilipinas Shell as well as to determine if its driver, identified as Darnel Imbol, could be held liable for the apparent accident.
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Super Tanker for US where to go ?

Unread postby M_B_S » Thu 01 Sep 2005, 03:16:55

This problem will be enourmes ! This is a wake up call for the mankind @all OIL IS NOT SAFE

The next hurrican is on the way .....the next crisis ! And to make it complete PEAK OIL is there
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Re: Super Tanker for US where to go ?

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 01 Sep 2005, 04:53:25

Evidently we've also passed peak literacy as well.
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Re: Super Tanker for US where to go ?

Unread postby KevO » Thu 01 Sep 2005, 04:57:56

rogerhb wrote:Evidently we've also passed peak literacy as well.

give the guy a break. He may be an Aussie. Reading and writing are not their strong points.. along with rugby and now cricket!! :-D
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Re: Super Tanker for US where to go ?

Unread postby Schweinshaxe » Thu 01 Sep 2005, 17:44:43

The question is interesting. What the heck will they do? If the tankers are heading for the US I guess someone in the US bought it.
Will the tankers wait out on open see (I guess there's no harbour that can let them wait there for weeks or months) until it's business as usual again or will the current owner of the oil resell the oil to get rid of the costs?

Who owns the oil in the tankers anyway? If you buy oil, do you then own it (as buyer, not producer) when it's delivered at your door or can you buy oil which is still in a well?
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US to Send LNG Tankers Through Canadian Waterway

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 08:44:24

Harper sure does spend a lot of time blaming LNG on the liberals. Hello? Conservatives use cold showers in the dark now?

LNG Briefs: Conservative Leader Against LNG In Maine; Public Input Sought On NB Gas Pipeline Corridor (link)
Maine Story - New Brunswick Story
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Thursday, September 15, 2005

Conservative leader and Leader of the Opposition, Stephen Harper said last week the federal government is courting an environmental disaster with its silence on the proposed location for a new Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) terminal in Maine.

"Once again, the Liberals are missing in action and neglecting the environmental and economic interests of Canadians," said Harper. "When it comes to matters of international importance, they would rather sit on their hands than stand up for Canada."

Maine-bound LNG tankers will have to navigate Head Harbour Passage, a Canadian waterway and the only entrance to Passamaquoddy Bay.

Harper said "the Conservative party recognizes the importance of LNG as part of North America's energy program in the twenty-first century. However, there are well-founded concerns about the construction and operation of LNG terminals in ecologically sensitive areas like Passamaquoddy Bay."

There are now three proposals for LNG import facilities in Maine.

One is proposed at Split Rock on the Passamaquoddy Reservation at Pleasant Point, another is planned for Mill Cove in Robbinston, and the third in Calais.

Harper said, "the LNG terminal in Passamaquoddy Bay is yet another example of the Liberals' poorly managed Canada/US relationship."

Earlier this week, Irving Oil Limited and Repsol YPF, S.A., announced the initial phase of construction for the Canaport LNG project in Saint John, NB, was about to begin.

The Canaport LNG terminal will be operational in 2008, initially delivering 1 billion cubic feet per day of regassified LNG into the market.

Meanwhile, Maritimes & Northeast Pipeline (M&NP) is proposing to construct and operate a 30-inch diameter natural gas pipeline from the planned Canaport LNG facility near Saint John, NB, to Baileyville, Maine.

According to M&NP, they are seeking public input regarding the preliminary routing of the pipeline corridor. Environmental and socio-economic studies throughout the proposed pipeline development area are now underway.

An open house on the project is scheduled in St. Stephen September 21 from 3 to 8:30 p.m. at the Royal Canadian Legion Branch, 73 Queen Street West.

M&NP says after completion of the studies and consideration of public input, they will apply for regulatory approval later this year to construct the proposed pipeline and related facilities.
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Re: US to Send LNG Tankers Through Canadian Waterway

Unread postby Starvid » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 09:03:30

I didn't know LNG was dangerous for the environment (except global warming of course).

Like, what is the worst thing that can happen? The ship starts burning and then explodes? How bad can that be for the environment?
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Re: US to Send LNG Tankers Through Canadian Waterway

Unread postby Ancien_Opus » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 11:27:08

How about a Nagasaki sized explosion! Of course you won't have radiation just a tremendous thermal expansive yield.

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Re: US to Send LNG Tankers Through Canadian Waterway

Unread postby Bedevere » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 15:12:57

Hasn't this happened once before, when the US was planning a route for oil tankers from Alaska, through northern Canada to get to the east coast?
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Re: US to Send LNG Tankers Through Canadian Waterway

Unread postby Cash » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 15:25:30

Sorry, but there's no case on record of an LNG tanker exploding, even when strafed and attacked with missiles during the Iran-Iraq War back in the 1980s. The "Nagasaki-sized explosion" is a myth hugely popular with the NIMBY/BANANA crowd, fed by a rabidly anti-LNG professor at MIT. The 15 gallons of gasoline in your car's gas tank is equal to 1,000 pounds of TNT -- is anyone gonna stop parking their cars in front of the house at night?

All that said, Passamaquoddy Bay is about the worst place on the East Coast for an LNG terminal. Head Harbour Passage can be navigated by large ships only at slack tide. It's an accident waiting to happen. The LNG terminals have popped up there only because they've been pushed out of all the better places farther down the Maine coast. Quoddy Bay is literally the last stop.

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Re: US to Send LNG Tankers Through Canadian Waterway

Unread postby hotsacks » Thu 15 Sep 2005, 15:27:46

Aside from the political squabbling,the proposal is another signal that NG stocks in Canada are in decline.The Trans Canada Pipeline terminates in Portland Maine and has been the main source of NG for New England/New York for decades. Why else build an LNG terminal in the same area unless forecasts show diminishing reserves in Alberta?
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