Sixstrings wrote:What all this comes down to are the competing interests of short term profits for the elite versus the very national security and well-being of this republic. The elite holders of capital don't give flying flip about the future of this nation.
if you can't find an American engineer then it is crucial to LET THAT SHORTAGE EXIST
dsula wrote:Did you ever own your business? Do you know how f*** tuff it is to survive in this world competing with foreign companies?
wrong. If you let that shortage exist the company will either MOVE to where the skills are available, OUTSOURCE or go OUT of business. None are good for the nation as you want to preserve the skills to be as self sufficient as possible.
Sixstrings wrote:With globalsim, all we've done is traded our national sovereignty for a shared sovereignty with China and India. Markets have a leveling effect, and what this means is that the American people are going be leveled right into the muck with the world's teeming masses of poor.
I oppose immigration. However I oppose it because I believe the cultural change associated with it will lead to problems and because for me personally a mult-cultural society lowers the quality of life.
However I do not oppose immigration for reason of "they take my high paying job". The world is global and you have to be able to compete. You're either cheap, or you're smart. But expensive and stupid won't work.
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Since most people are the latter and not the former (workers not owners), I don't think you'll find a whole l that would agree with you. I certainly don't. Perhaps you would also like to tell us how great free-trade-globalism is for the US economy and all of us who participate in it, as well?
Yes, most people are the follower type who just want to go to work, get paid real high, and go home. If they could think they wouldn't be followers.
Roy wrote:So you say you oppose immigration above and you say that immigration degrades our culture.
Ok. But previously you admitted that you hire H1B's, which directly contradicts your statements above.
If I oppose something I don't do it. Doing otherwise would cause me some serious emotional distress.
So, being a thinker as you claim to be: how do your actions affect you emotionally? Can you sleep at night going against your own (self admitted) racist, xenophobic beliefs just to make a buck?
Your life must be a living hell.
LMAO
Roy wrote:If I oppose something I don't do it. Doing otherwise would cause me some serious emotional distress.
So, being a thinker as you claim to be: how do your actions affect you emotionally? Can you sleep at night going against your own (self admitted) racist, xenophobic beliefs just to make a buck?
Your life must be a living hell.
turner wrote:When countries allow cheap imports in and their own companies to outsource labour abroad it should come as absolutely no surprise that their own labour markets will be decimated.It's obvious that local labour will not be able to compete with the poor wages paid in the manufacturing countries of Asia and elsewhere.
dsula wrote:And yes, I'm xenophobic, and I'm proud of it. And I'm also a racist. And I'm proud of that, too.
Sixstrings wrote:turner wrote:When countries allow cheap imports in and their own companies to outsource labour abroad it should come as absolutely no surprise that their own labour markets will be decimated.It's obvious that local labour will not be able to compete with the poor wages paid in the manufacturing countries of Asia and elsewhere.
Thank you Turner for more succinctly saying what I've been trying to get across.
I would just point out though that you only mentioned manufacturing work, as if outsourcing and insourcing were limited to that industry. Fact is, it's everywhere, and it's spreading -- it was likely an immigrant who picked the food you ate today, if you ate at a restaurant an immigrant may have cooked it. Immigration overload and the subsequent downward wage pressure is happening in healthcare, and you've heard the complaints from the engineers in this thread.
Immigration will continue, both legal and illegal, until conditions in this country become worse than those in India, China, and Mexico. Only then will the immigrants stop coming, since the better opportunities will be right there at home.
And when that day comes, don't think for a second that China and India will welcome in the huddled mass of American poor.
dsula wrote:Sixstrings wrote:Oh, and let's not forget the open floodgates of the H1B visas.
I've been looking for a knowledgable electronic desing engineer for over a year now and haven't found anybody suitable. What choice do I have than bring somebody in from abroad? Seems the only thing taught at US universities is law, art or banking. All useless crap of no true value. Where are the engineers that create stuff?
Actually you should be thankful for the H1B program. At least somebody educated is moving to the US. That's badly needed to balance the scores of mexicans who just know enough to spell their names or the flood of somali refugees who don't even know that much.
Sixstrings wrote:With globalsim, all we've done is traded our national sovereignty for a shared sovereignty with China and India. Markets have a leveling effect, and what this means is that the American people are going be leveled right into the muck with the world's teeming masses of poor.
Tyler_JC wrote:But employees have little loyalty these days. If you spend thousands of dollars training them and they disappear the minute they have their certifications, where does that leave the employer?
It makes more sense to outsource the cost of training to someone else and then select from the best
Eddie_lomax wrote:I've got a feeling we are already reaching the critical levels now. The big regional centres for the jobs are gone now (Reading used to be massive, not seeing much advertised there at all these days) so each job seems to involve moving to a different area of the country like a nomad. Its not inviting for a new graduate, but then again most graduates prefer to study something more fun in the Arts, or some sort of money shuffling qualification.
Back in the 90s, we'd often have to pay $10 to $12 plus per hour to trainees with zero skills or experience. Currently, many skilled workers with years of experience are working for less, plus they're often working less than 40 hours.
vision-master wrote:Back in the 90s, we'd often have to pay $10 to $12 plus per hour to trainees with zero skills or experience. Currently, many skilled workers with years of experience are working for less, plus they're often working less than 40 hours.
What's yer 'hourly rate' charge + 'truck charge'? $75 hr.
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