[ralfy]

"...displaced 38-60 million people, study shows"

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/05 ... -displace/

Wars the US waged in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, and Pakistan following September 11, 2001 caused at least 4.5 million deaths and displaced 38 to 60 million people, with 7.6 million children starving today, according to studies by Brown University.

[Plantagenet]

Wars the US waged in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, and Pakistan ...

The US never waged wars in either Pakistan or Yemen.

Good propaganda should never start off with obvious lies.



Cheers!

[careinke]

Wars the US waged in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, and Pakistan ...

The US never waged wars in either Pakistan or Yemen.

Good propaganda should never start off with obvious lies.



Cheers!

We have been involved in the war in Yemen, you just don't know about it.

Pakistan? As far as I know, you have that one correct.

Peace

[Plantagenet]

We have been involved in the war in Yemen, you just don't know about it. Peace

US military forces invaded and conquered Iraq and Afghanistan---those are clearly "US post-9/11 wars".

The US never invaded or conquered Syria, but Obama put US forces into Syria as part of his failed promise to topple the Assad regime, and Trump put more US forces into Syria as part of his successful effort to extirpate the short-lived Islamic State "caliphate," so one could argue the US was involved in war in Syria.

But I'm not aware of any US invasion and conquest of Yemen, or even of any direct involvement of US troops. Yes Saudi Arabia bought weapons from the US that it used in Yemen, but that doesn't make it a "US war" anymore then the Iranian or Russian weapons that turn up in Yemen make it an Iranian or Russian war.

If you know of a secret US invasion and conquest of Yemen, or even of direct military involvement of US troops inside Yemen, would you please share the information?

Pakistan? As far as I know, you have that one correct.

Thank you.

Once again, I appreciate your considerable knowledge about all things military.

CHEERS!

[careinke]

We have been involved in the war in Yemen, you just don't know about it. Peace

US military forces invaded and conquered Iraq and Afghanistan---those are clearly "US post-9/11 wars".

The US never invaded or conquered Syria, but Obama put US forces into Syria as part of his failed promise to topple the Assad regime, and Trump put more US forces into Syria as part of his successful effort to extirpate the short-lived Islamic State "caliphate," so one could argue the US was involved in war in Syria.

But I'm not aware of any US invasion and conquest of Yemen, or even of any direct involvement of US troops. Yes Saudi Arabia bought weapons from the US that it used in Yemen, but that doesn't make it a "US war" anymore then the Iranian or Russian weapons that turn up in Yemen make it an Iranian or Russian war.

If you know of a secret US invasion and conquest of Yemen, or even of direct military involvement of US troops inside Yemen, would you please share the information?

Pakistan? As far as I know, you have that one correct.

Thank you.

Once again, I appreciate your considerable knowledge about all things military.

CHEERS!

Who said anything about conquest? We have not been able to achieve that in decades.

Peace

[Newfie]

Well, if one were to start rummaging through history for actions where the USA has been accused of military adventurism there have been many. Some would argue the War of 1812. Surely the Mexico war and invasion. Spanish American War including the repression it the Philippines. How many times have we been in Haiti? “Freeing” Panama from Columbia so we could build the canal. And then all the various Central American escapades. Korea and Giet Nam and Cambodia. Far from a complete list. Obama in Libya always irked me.

It seems almost traditional.

Many of these adventures turned out poorly. But not all. And sometimes they had good justification. Of course everyones opinion varies about which ones were which.

[Plantagenet]

Who said anything about conquest? We have not been able to achieve that in decades.

Peace

I have to respectfully disagree. I'll give three examples of the US military conquering foreign regimes from the last two decades.

(1) US forces and their allies conquered Afghanistan in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks and toppled the Taliban regime and booted out Al Qaida fighters based there. (2) US and allied forces conquered Iraq and destroyed the Baath Party regime of Saddam Hussein. Hussein himself was put on trial and executed. AND (3) US forces along with their Kurdish allies conquered and destroyed the Islamic State Caliphate in Syria, killing the leader of ISIS during the bombing and assault.

Unfortunately the Taliban regained control of Afghanistan in 2022 when Biden chaotically withdrew US forces and news reports say the Taliban are again helping foreign Islamic terrorist groups.


Remember when Russia invaded Afghanistan? Back then a Mujihadeen fighter + US made stinger missile = destroyed Russian helicopter. And the same US technology still works in Ukraine today.

Cheers!

[ralfy]

Indirect war deaths. The link to the study is given in the article.

For Yemen, read pp. 6-7, and Pakistan, p. 34. There are more from the same paper.

[theluckycountry]

Who said anything about conquest? We have not been able to achieve that in decades.

Your thinking on the matter is wrong, it's TV thinking. The US military contractors have achieved conquest in every single war fought, and that is all that matters for USAinc

The stated reasons for war, democracy, liberation, Weapons of mass destruction, they are all just convenient lies to justify the expense of taxpayer's money to enrich the military industrial complex. Look at the war in Afghanistan, it's over, and Iraq is scaling back. So NO SALES. Then conveniently your government becomes involved in a small conflict on Russia's border, it tells all you TV watchers it's about Freedom, and you all buy little ukrainian flags to wave while the government gives billions to the arms dealers.

Imagine the state of you national infrastructure if that money had been diverted there instead? You'd have all new roads and bridges wouldn't you. But then the arms dealers would have lost all their profits. You have been played as suckers, for hundreds of years.

Here, educate yourself

War Is A Racket
By Major General Smedley Butler
Awarded two congressional medals of honor:
Distinguished service medal, 1919
Major General - United States Marine Corps

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

[jato0072]

War is a constant in human civilization.

Pretending that war will be eliminated because humans will become "enlightened", "progressive" or whatever is magical thinking at best.

Meanwhile, in France:

[careinke]

Who said anything about conquest? We have not been able to achieve that in decades.

Your thinking on the matter is wrong, it's TV thinking. The US military contractors have achieved conquest in every single war fought, and that is all that matters for USAinc

The stated reasons for war, democracy, liberation, Weapons of mass destruction, they are all just convenient lies to justify the expense of taxpayer's money to enrich the military industrial complex. Look at the war in Afghanistan, it's over, and Iraq is scaling back. So NO SALES. Then conveniently your government becomes involved in a small conflict on Russia's border, it tells all you TV watchers it's about Freedom, and you all buy little ukrainian flags to wave while the government gives billions to the arms dealers.

Imagine the state of you national infrastructure if that money had been diverted there instead? You'd have all new roads and bridges wouldn't you. But then the arms dealers would have lost all their profits. You have been played as suckers, for hundreds of years.

Here, educate yourself

War Is A Racket
By Major General Smedley Butler
Awarded two congressional medals of honor:
Distinguished service medal, 1919
Major General - United States Marine Corps

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

You are preaching to the Choir. I agree with you. My government left me with the "Patriot" Act, and dressing up policemen in military gear.


Peace

[theluckycountry]

$15BN US Arms Sale To Poland Amid Continued NATO 'Eastern Flank' Build-Up
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... lank-build

Well at least the US taxpayers don't have to foot the bill for this sale. We can see why it's in the interests of the US corporations to have endless wars, they own the politicians, even Trump for all his rhetoric about the swamp, swims in the swamp. He's owned by the banks that fund his empire. It's why I don't listen to any political dialogue, it's all lies, all designed to program you into believing their agenda.