[onlooker]

https://anticonquista.com/2017/09/03/he ... z_M96WWBLk

It’s probably not the best idea to trust the view of someone whose father is directly responsible for the excruciating poverty that Venezuelans faced prior to former President Hugo Chavez ushering in the Bolivarian Revolution in 1999.

Of course, this isn’t worth mentioning in her video since, at least at that time, the government was abiding by the neoliberal economic packages being handed to them by the International Monetary Fund, allowing the elites of Venezuela to have the freedom to live off the backs of the poor masses.

She rants about food and medicine shortages, conveniently omitting the fact that warehouses of hoarded food and medicine, owned by Venezuela’s elites, have been found by the government. She shouts about the problem of inflation without mentioning that Venezuela is facing an economic war — elites are making products scarce, thereby increasing the price of these products and making the currency less valuable.

She repeats an outright lie, claiming that the government is a “violent dictatorship,” sidestepping the glaring truth that President Nicolas Maduro is a democratically-elected president and that the majority of the deaths that occurred throughout opposition protests were instigated by violent anti-government protesters.

Another disgusting lie she regurgitates is that Chavez made poverty and corruption worse after coming into power. The fact that the percentage of households living in poverty went from 55 percent in 1995 to 26.4 percent in 2009 undermines her argument completely.

[Cog]

So blame the protestors, who are protesting government oppression and corruption for their own deaths? Wow. The author would have made a great concentration camp guard. And I'm not kidding. Same mentality at work.

The author is a full blown communist. Anticonquistos represent the various communist parties of South And Central America.

[KaiserJeep]

I'm in favor of ANYTHING that extends North American style success to Central and South America. But Marxism is the least likely candidate.

KJ, you tend to lump Central and South America as a singular entity and make broad sweeping statements about the status of the region as if it was homogeneous. Nothing could be further from the truth and this glaring misconception weakens the points you are making.

The only generalization I made about these regions was that they had been exploited in the 17th-20th centuries by Europeans and that these countries spoke the three European tongues Spanish, Portuguese, and English.

Admittedly I also generalized about failed Marxist regimes. There exist only 8 of those in South and Central America out of I don't know how many countries. The other 40-odd failed regimes are in Asia, Europe, and Africa.

[onlooker]

The first UN rapporteur to visit Venezuela for 21 years has told The Independent the US sanctions on the country are illegal and could amount to “crimes against humanity” under international law.

Former special rapporteur Alfred de Zayas, who finished his term at the UN in March, has criticized the US for engaging in “economic warfare” against Venezuela which he said is hurting the economyand killing Venezuelans.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... wMsAPswB9k

[Cog]

The UN can tell the United States who they must trade with? Please show me the appropriate section of the UN charter where that is stated. Countries are free to ignore our samctions if they don't want to trade with the USA.

I see you left out the part of the article mentioning that Obama himself placed sanctions on Venezuela in 2015. Not very honest of you onlooker. Tsk tsk

[Newfie]

Read entire story here

https://gcaptain.com/armada-of-tankers- ... -u-s-gulf/


By Collin Eaton and Marianna Parraga HOUSTON/MEXICO CITY, Feb 4 (Reuters) – A flotilla loaded with about 7 million barrels of Venezuelan oil has formed in the Gulf of Mexico, some holding cargoes bought ahead of the latest U.S. sanctions on Venezuela and others whose buyers are weighing who to pay, according to traders, shippers and Refinitiv Eikon data.

The Trump administration’s move to impose sanctions last week was meant to undercut support for Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro by targeting the Latin American nation’s oil exports to the United States, the source of most of its foreign revenue.

The sanctions aim to block U.S. refiners from paying into PDVSA accounts controlled by Maduro – one reason numerous tankers are waiting in limbo off Venezuela with payments unclear. The United States buys 500,000 barrels of Venezuelan crude per day.

[Newfie]

By Mircely Guanipa and Marianna Parraga PUNTO FIJO, Venezuela, March 7 (Reuters) – Venezuela’s state-run oil company PDVSA said on Thursday it has not halted business with maritime contractor Bernhard Schulte Shipmanagement (BSM), after the German firm notified it would remove crews operating 10 of 15 PDVSA vessels over unpaid fees and return the tankers.

PDVSA’s maritime arm PDV Marina declared an emergency on Tuesday due to lack of staff to immediately receive the vessels that BSM proposed to return to Venezuelan ports due to unpaid bills of at least $15 million.

https://gcaptain.com/venezuelas-pdvsa-s ... ping-firm/

[dissident]

The UN can tell the United States who they must trade with? Please show me the appropriate section of the UN charter where that is stated. Countries are free to ignore our samctions if they don't want to trade with the USA.

I see you left out the part of the article mentioning that Obama himself placed sanctions on Venezuela in 2015. Not very honest of you onlooker. Tsk tsk

Follow your own sanctimony, hypocrite. US sanctions on any country are null and void since they are extra-territorial and can only have international relevance if approved by the UN.

[rockdoc123]

Follow your own sanctimony, hypocrite. US sanctions on any country are null and void since they are extra-territorial and can only have international relevance if approved by the UN.

that is incorrect. Sanctions may be extra-territorial and still have a huge impact as seen in sanctions the US unilaterally applied to Libya, Iran, Sudan etc. In all those cases the US threatened any other countries doing business with the countries who had the sanctions imposed on them with possible additional sanctions or other retaliatory measures. They made it illegal for US companies to work in those countries which had a serious impact on the countries ability to grow and they made it illegal for US citizens to work in those countries which had a significant impact on the availability of skilled labor.

[Cog]

Most countries figure out they are better off retaining the US as a trading partner than Venezuela. Go figure.

[onlooker]

Oh cmon, get real. We know or else some people are willifully ignorant that the rich countries have and are exploiting the poorer ones. Sorry, but this reflexive patriotism to this abstract notion that is a country is misplaced. Venezuelan people are suffering and part of the reason is those Sanctions. We know the economic clout the US has. But, you probably do not know how the IMF and World Bank and others do automatically the bidding of the US and other rich countries. This whole the legal President of Venezuela is BS. Maduro was elected fair and square and we have no right to interfere or intervene. If the international community really wants to help, NO sanctions and send all the help they can to them period. But, we know ulterior reasons exist for the US to be so interested in Venezuela. In one word OIL.

[onlooker]

Most countries figure out they are better off retaining the US as a trading partner than Venezuela. Go figure.

Yeah, Cog, Might makes right. Right.

[rockdoc123]

But, we know ulterior reasons exist for the US to be so interested in Venezuela. In one word OIL.

this is the same ridiculous claim a bunch of folks made about the Iraq war...it's all about oil. In fact no US company got any oil concessions during any of the bid rounds and the oil was not sold exclusively to anyone. So complete nonsense claim, it actually had nothing to do with oil.

As to Venezuela the US has been importing oil from Venezuela since the nineties. Venezuela exports exclusively heavy oil or a blend of heavy and medium both of which need to be mixed with LTO in order to refine in the US in large volumes. If they had all the heavy oil in Venezuela they would not know what to do with it.

But what I find really humorous is you and Short have been going on and on about how the heavy oil has no value, it is worthless yet now (in almost the same breath) you are arguing the US would go to extreme lengths to obtain Venezuela oil. Which is it? Pick a story and stick to it!

[yellowcanoe]

Maduro was elected fair and square and we have no right to interfere or intervene. If the international community really wants to help, NO sanctions and send all the help they can to them period. But, we know ulterior reasons exist for the US to be so interested in Venezuela. In one word OIL.

Maduro was not elected fair and square and he is refusing international aid. He would rather see his people suffer. I have relatives from Venezuela so I know first hand about the problems there. It started with poor decisions by Chavez and Maduro has continued down the same road.

[dissident]

Maduro was elected fair and square and we have no right to interfere or intervene. If the international community really wants to help, NO sanctions and send all the help they can to them period. But, we know ulterior reasons exist for the US to be so interested in Venezuela. In one word OIL.

Maduro was not elected fair and square and he is refusing international aid. He would rather see his people suffer. I have relatives from Venezuela so I know first hand about the problems there. It started with poor decisions by Chavez and Maduro has continued down the same road.

Every talking point repeated as if established fact. Those food convoys were a cheap publicity stunt including the burning of the trucks by US sponsored clowns. As for Maduro's election, spare me this tired lie. Every candidate that is not pre-approved by the USA is automatically non-legitimate. Go and get stuffed. This is the same blood libel that the USA applies to Russia where supposedly politicians with less than 3% popular support (e.g. grifter Navalny, and don't hide behind the back up lie that the polls are not real, western and western backed polling agencies like Ipsos Reed and Levada Center confirm the support levels) are supposed to become president.

Yeah, sure, and the fringe militias in the USA are the true voice of the American people. Because they are "non systemic" and not Washington approved.

Americans are the worst hypocrites on the planet. They claim that some pro and anti Trump internet adds below the signal to noise level are outright meddling in US "democracy", but engage in brazen sabotage and threats of war and invasion to any country they don't like for whatever reason. If you phony "humanitarians" cared so much about foreigners, you would do something to stop your protectorate Saudi Arabia from occupying Yemen and starving millions of Yemenis. Since you actually support the Saudis you have negative moral authority to preach to Venezuela. And Venezuala even in its current state is vastly better than the Salafi toilet known as Saudi Arabia, the premier international terrorism sponsor.

[yellowcanoe]

Every talking point repeated as if established fact. Those food convoys were a cheap publicity stunt including the burning of the trucks by US sponsored clowns. As for Maduro's election, spare me this tired lie. Every candidate that is not pre-approved by the USA is automatically non-legitimate. Go and get stuffed. This is the same blood libel that the USA applies to Russia where supposedly politicians with less than 3% popular support (e.g. grifter Navalny, and don't hide behind the back up lie that the polls are not real, western and western backed polling agencies like Ipsos Reed and Levada Center confirm the support levels) are supposed to become president.

Yeah, sure, and the fringe militias in the USA are the true voice of the American people. Because they are "non systemic" and not Washington approved.

Americans are the worst hypocrites on the planet. They claim that some pro and anti Trump internet adds below the signal to noise level are outright meddling in US "democracy", but engage in brazen sabotage and threats of war and invasion to any country they don't like for whatever reason. If you phony "humanitarians" cared so much about foreigners, you would do something to stop your protectorate Saudi Arabia from occupying Yemen and starving millions of Yemenis. Since you actually support the Saudis you have negative moral authority to preach to Venezuela. And Venezuala even in its current state is vastly better than the Salafi toilet known as Saudi Arabia, the premier international terrorism sponsor.

Your research skills are questionable given that you didn't notice the public information listed with my posts that indicates that I am Canadian and not American.

I would also have to question the US support of Saudi Arabia and its war on Yemen. Canada's relationship with Saudi Arabia has been fractured since last year when a senior government minister criticized the treatment of human rights in Saudia Arabia. The Saudia Arabian government recalled its ambassador to Canada and all students who were studying in Canadian universities. However, while the Canadian government seems to be on the right side in criticizing human rights abuses and the war in Yemen they have so far refused to cancel a $15 billion contract to supply light armoured vehicles to Saudia Arabia. It's the usual story of money and jobs being more important than doing what is morally right.

If the US has so much control over who gets elected President in Venezuela than how did Chavez and Maduro get elected? Right now the only countries that appear to be supporting Maduro are Russia, China and Cuba - hardly examples of countries that respect human rights.

[Cog]

Most countries figure out they are better off retaining the US as a trading partner than Venezuela. Go figure.

Yeah, Cog, Might makes right. Right.

It certainly does which is why the Venezuelan government banned the personal ownership of guns. Why do you think they did that? Why do all communist governments do that? Because Mao knew exactly how power flows. It flows from the barrel of a gun.

[onlooker]

It does but your gun is one and theirs is many. I would just as soon not be a slave/killed by and to a Communist than to a Capitalist
The difference is our Capitalist masters prefer to exploit us in a more benign manner than most around the world

[rockdoc123]

It does but your gun is one and theirs is many. I would just as soon not be a slave/killed by and to a Communist than to a Capitalist
The difference is our Capitalist masters prefer to exploit us in a more benign manner than most around the world

I'm sorry, but do you actually understand how stupid this statement is?
If you don't like living in a capitalist regime then I think it is pretty easy for you to move to a socialist one. There are a few choices, Venezuela being one. Are you being exploited? Then I suggest you move somewhere else. Why are you living here if you feel so hard done by?
I suspect that is an honest question.