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Re: Pentagon bracing for public dissent over climate and ene

Unread postby Graeme » Sun 30 Jun 2013, 21:39:27

New NSA leaks show how US is bugging its European allies

US intelligence services are spying on the European Union mission in New York and its embassy in Washington, according to the latest top secret US National Security Agency documents leaked by the whistleblower Edward Snowden.

One document lists 38 embassies and missions, describing them as "targets". It details an extraordinary range of spying methods used against each target, from bugs implanted in electronic communications gear to taps into cables to the collection of transmissions with specialised antennae.

Along with traditional ideological adversaries and sensitive Middle Eastern countries, the list of targets includes the EU missions and the French, Italian and Greek embassies, as well as a number of other American allies, including Japan, Mexico, South Korea, India and Turkey. The list in the September 2010 document does not mention the UK, Germany or other western European states.

One of the bugging methods mentioned is codenamed Dropmire, which, according to a 2007 document, is "implanted on the Cryptofax at the EU embassy, DC" – an apparent reference to a bug placed in a commercially available encrypted fax machine used at the mission. The NSA documents note the machine is used to send cables back to foreign affairs ministries in European capitals.

The documents suggest the aim of the bugging exercise against the EU embassy in central Washington is to gather inside knowledge of policy disagreements on global issues and other rifts between member states.

The new revelations come at a time when there is already considerable anger across the EU over earlier evidence provided by Snowden of NSA eavesdropping on America's European allies.

Germany's justice minister, Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger, demanded an explanation from Washington, saying that if confirmed, US behaviour "was reminiscent of the actions of enemies during the cold war".


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Re: Pentagon bracing for public dissent over climate and ene

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Sun 30 Jun 2013, 23:58:32

AgentR11 wrote:I don't put much stock in Huff..

To the facts, obviously stressed out human, driving in car, a 2000+ lb metal device loaded with ~100 lbs of explosives (aka gasoline), has accident, with fire, and dies


He was filmed on someone's dashcam running a redlight at high speed about 2 minutes before the crash. The engine was ejected from the car and landed way down the street.

The news crew drove in on the same street - a long commercial straightaway, crossing another major street, then a hundred yards of residential neighborhood where the fire happened. To me, it looks like he was flying down the straightaway, but when he crossed the intersection he nearly went airborne off the hump of the cross street because that was not a major intersection designed for 80 mph, it was an intersection into a residential zone. he bottomed out the front end and crashed. The engine ejected when it hit the curb.
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Re: Pentagon bracing for public dissent over climate and ene

Unread postby cephalotus » Tue 02 Jul 2013, 05:32:12

1933-1945: GESTAPO

1950-1989: STASI

1952-????: NSA
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Re: Pentagon bracing for public dissent over climate and ene

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Tue 02 Jul 2013, 10:42:19

P - Of course. If you're going to kill someone you do it in a setting where it will look accidental. Have you not watched enough movies and TV??? Excuse me now...I gotta go find my tin foil hat before the NSA picks up any of my thoughts. I'm not a very good driver so I would be easy picken's
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Re: Pentagon bracing for public dissent over climate and ene

Unread postby dissident » Tue 02 Jul 2013, 11:25:57

ROCKMAN wrote:P - Of course. If you're going to kill someone you do it in a setting where it will look accidental. Have you not watched enough movies and TV??? Excuse me now...I gotta go find my tin foil hat before the NSA picks up any of my thoughts. I'm not a very good driver so I would be easy picken's


Just because some cheesy TV show or movie has such incidents in the plot does not mean that they never happen in reality. The journalist who reported how the CIA was peddling narcotics in the USA (not abroad) to raise money also "committed suicide". One way or another he was driven into the afterlife thanks to his investigative journalism. The point is to create a dis-incentive for future whistle-blowers and journalists who actually do their jobs. This policy is quite successful. The media today is full of lapdog mouthpieces who think that re-broadcasting government statements is "news reporting" and not propaganda. Snowden is a rare specimen of someone who is willing to risk some cushy life to spread the truth. The foaming at the mouth attacks on him prove that he is the real deal.
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Re: Pentagon bracing for public dissent over climate and ene

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Tue 02 Jul 2013, 14:08:57

Most whistleblowers aren't prepared for years of unemployment, divorce, bankruptcy etc.

Even people that can do it professionally aren't ready to deal with having their online accounts hacked, frivolous (but expensive) legal harassment, fake 911 calls, constant death threats, people mailing you photos of your kids at the mall etc. It takes little effort to make someone live in a state of fear by anonymous harassment, and all of this really takes a toll on someone and makes them careless in other ways.

I knew someone that was an entrepreneur competing with a major company, and he said "If you aren't getting death threats, you aren't really in the game."
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Re: Pentagon bracing for public dissent over climate and ene

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Tue 02 Jul 2013, 15:23:14

Edward Snowden was one of some 1.4 million intelligence technicians, operatives, security specialists, or just plain spies who have earned—after the minimum of a one-year investigation—top-level national security classification status.
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It was these very “sharing” concerns that allowed Snowden, a relatively low-level employee at Booz Allen who specialized in such technical coordination, to gain access to the data of multiple agencies and their associated collections of government-classified documents.
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It is highly probable that Snowden’s computers, four or five of which he is reported to keep in his possession at all times, contain classified material that includes the illegal U.S. spy operations conducted against virtually all nations on earth. This material ranges from military secrets to private-sector intellectual property and data on scientific breakthroughs that relate to key aspects of capitalist production and trade, to documents of the very government and private banking institutions that collectively constitute the core operations of all U.S. rivals.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/07/02/ ... e-exposed/
If so, there are many thousands with access to this stuff. Besides "dirt" suitable for blackmail there is valuable commercial and financial info. For every Snowden there will be plenty of leakers with different motivations.
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Re: Pentagon bracing for public dissent over climate and ene

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Tue 02 Jul 2013, 23:10:41

dissident wrote:..Just because some cheesy TV show or movie has such incidents in the plot does not mean that they never happen in reality. The journalist who reported how the CIA was peddling narcotics in the USA (not abroad) to raise money also "committed suicide". One way or another he was driven into the afterlife thanks to his investigative journalism...

You're talking about Gary webb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb

He committed "suicide" by shooting himself twice in the head.
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Re: Pentagon bracing for public dissent over climate and ene

Unread postby SeaGypsy » Tue 02 Jul 2013, 23:23:43

Snowden's position is looking very difficult:
The 30-year-old former spy agency contractor is stuck in legal limbo in the transit area of the Sheremetyevo airport in Russia's capital Moscow.

WikiLeaks says he has applied for asylum in 21 countries, as he attempts to avoid extradition to the United States to face espionage charges.

On Tuesday president Vladimir Putin suggested Snowden could stay in Russia on the condition that he stopped harming "our American partners".

But Mr Putin's press secretary Dmitry Peskov says Snowden abandoned his bid for asylum in Russia following the president's remarks.

"After learning of Russia's position yesterday, voiced by president Putin ... he abandoned his intention [of staying] and his request to be able to stay in Russia."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-02/s ... ia/4795128

Assange seems to have put his foot in it by getting directly involved:

Relations between the Ecuadorean government and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange are becoming “incredibly strained” over the latter’s involvement in the Edward Snowden affair, The Independent has learned.

If unresolved, the tensions - which were confirmed by a Quito source on Monday - could bring into question Mr Assange’s own position within the Andean nation’s London embassy. He claimed asylum there more than a year ago in order to avoid extradition to Sweden.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 81776.html
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Re: Pentagon bracing for public dissent over climate and ene

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Wed 03 Jul 2013, 17:23:16

Well the Egyptian army just dealt with unrest by throwing the religious lunatics out of office.
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Re: Pentagon bracing for public dissent over climate and ene

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Wed 03 Jul 2013, 17:30:34

AgentR11 wrote: Has anyone given thought to the world that might be if evangelicals and fundamentalist muslims figure out that they belong on the same side? Aside from nomenclature, and perhaps a christian laity tendency towards skimpier clothing, there really isn't a whole lot of difference in day to day practice and opinion. A realignment would really disrupt the playing field in radical ways.....


Dinesh D'Souza tried to make that point in his book "The Enemy At Home: The Cultural Left and Its Responsibility for 9/11" where he said that Bin Laden was right (even though he conveniently ignored OBLs actual demands to make up a story about a culture war). Then he wrote the books "Roots Of Obama's Rage" and "2016" where he really embraced his own Americanized version of Nazi race theory. I'm not going to elaborate on that unless someone demands it. More recently he's lying low after getting fired in the wake of a public extramarital affair.
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Re: Pentagon bracing for public dissent over climate and ene

Unread postby Oneaboveall » Fri 05 Jul 2013, 13:11:49

Hmmm...

https://nopoliticalrepression.wordpress ... activists/

In the past 48 hours at least six Seattle climate activists have been approached by agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation at their home or school...
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Re: Pentagon bracing for public dissent over climate and ene

Unread postby Graeme » Mon 08 Jul 2013, 04:37:54

Snowden reveals Australia's links to US spy web

United States intelligence leaker Edward Snowden has provided his first disclosure of Australian involvement in US global surveillance, identifying four facilities in the country that contribute to a key American intelligence collection program.

Classified US National Security Agency maps leaked by Mr Snowden and published by US journalist Glenn Greenwald in the Brazilian O Globo newspaper reveal the locations of dozens of US and allied signals intelligence collection sites that contribute to interception of telecommunications and internet traffic worldwide.

The US Australian Joint Defence Facility at Pine Gap near Alice Springs and three Australian Signals Directorate facilities: the Shoal Bay Receiving Station near Darwin, the Australian Defence Satellite Communications Facility at Geraldton and the naval communications station HMAS Harman outside Canberra are among contributors to the NSA's collection program codenamed X-Keyscore.

The New Zealand Government Security Communications Bureau facility at Waihopai near Blenheim also contributes to the program.

X-Keyscore reportedly processes all signals before they are shunted off to various "production lines" that deal with specific issues and the exploitation of different data types for analysis - variously code-named Nucleon (voice), Pinwale (video), Mainway (call records) and Marina (internet records). US intelligence expert William Arkin describes X-Keyscore as a “national Intelligence collection mission system”.

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The documents published by O Globo show that US and allied signals intelligence collection facilities are distributed worldwide, located at US and allied military and other facilities as well as US embassies and consulates.

Fairfax Media recently reported the construction of a new state-of-the-art data storage facility at HMAS Harman to support the Australian signals directorate and other Australian intelligence agencies.

In an interview published in the German Der Spiegel magazine on Sunday, Mr Snowden said the NSA operates broad secret intelligence partnerships with other western governments, some of which are now complaining about its programs.
Mr Snowden said that the other partners in the "Five Eyes" intelligence alliance of the US, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand “sometimes go even further than the [National Security Agency] people themselves.”

He highlighted the British Government Communications Headquarters “Tempora” program as an example:


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Re: Pentagon bracing for public dissent over climate and ene

Unread postby JV153 » Sat 23 Nov 2013, 14:29:38

In fact, I'd say that the entire point of the internet is to spy on people.
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Re: How hard is it to get our military to use horses again??

Unread postby DaSunny » Sun 13 Apr 2014, 03:19:25

The_Virginian wrote:Keeping horses is harder than keeping strategic petroleum supplies.

When the military can't horde petrol, that's the day they ride mr. Ed.


Weird... I thought oil was the reason they were there? Why not use it?

I mean if you are not going to find any WMDs in Iraq, then you might as well be obvious about your true intentions.
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Re: THE US Military Thread pt 4 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 18 Nov 2023, 00:17:40

The Army Is Begging Unvaccinated Soldiers To Return

Oh, how much the times have changed! The United States Army is now begging COVID unvaccinated soldiers, who underwent involuntary discharge for their refusal to take the vaccine, to return to service and also permits them to correct their military records!

The Marine Corps has, by far, kicked out the most service members: 1,968 total, 20% of whom received an honorable discharge. That amounts to just under 1% of the total force, which stands at about 215,000.

However, the readiness suffered: thousands of service members were dismissed, and potential recruits declined to enlist in the Armed Services, because, guess what, young healthy men loath COVID vaccines.
https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your ... d-vaccine/ https://www.zerohedge.com/military/army ... ers-return

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Re: THE US Military Thread pt 4 (merged)

Unread postby careinke » Sat 18 Nov 2023, 05:21:12

theluckycountry wrote:The Army Is Begging Unvaccinated Soldiers To Return

Oh, how much the times have changed! The United States Army is now begging COVID unvaccinated soldiers, who underwent involuntary discharge for their refusal to take the vaccine, to return to service and also permits them to correct their military records!

The Marine Corps has, by far, kicked out the most service members: 1,968 total, 20% of whom received an honorable discharge. That amounts to just under 1% of the total force, which stands at about 215,000.

However, the readiness suffered: thousands of service members were dismissed, and potential recruits declined to enlist in the Armed Services, because, guess what, young healthy men loath COVID vaccines.
https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your ... d-vaccine/ https://www.zerohedge.com/military/army ... ers-return

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When did the military stop putting dates on their correspondence???
Also, it looks like they spread the signature block across two pages. Some staff officer needs to be fired if that is an official DOD document.

Maybe it's a draft?

Just sayin........

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Re: THE US Military Thread pt 4 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 19 Nov 2023, 05:37:43

Who knows? I believe the story is genuine though.
Here's an excellent vid on the current state of the US military.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQXD-Wr6h64
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Re: THE US Military Thread pt 4 (merged)

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Wed 22 Nov 2023, 18:16:46

Covid isnt what it used to be
Wasnt like you needed a full military when the world was locked up
Now the worlds on fire and covid has become manageable it makes sense they need more soldiers that they dont have to train from scratch
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