[Hawkcreek]

The wealthy have so much more than the rest of us, of course they pay taxes, but not nearly enough.

Sander's claim that"the top one-tenth of 1 percent" of Americans "own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent" has been found to be 'Mostly True' by Politifact.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/sta ... icans-hav/

When .1% has more than just about everyone else combined, they clearly will be less inconvenienced by taxes than people struggling (or not able) to make ends meet.

But as this ruling class also controls the law makers, a revolution is needed, for justice, and to save the planet.

Time to break out the pitchforks!!

I remember when Warren Buffet said that he would still end up in paying a lower tax rate than his secretary (in 2013). He is worth about 65 billion.
Anyone who believes that the wealthy pay too much in tax is delusional.

[Lore]

I'm waiting for that Reagan trickle down economics to kick in! Any day now...

[onlooker]

Quite the opposite Lore, it has been trickle up ever since Reagan.

[dohboi]

+1

[Ibon]

Well I guess then I have to take exception with Ibon's notion (or perhaps your interpretation of it?) that an more enlightened or egalitarian society would make any difference to our ecological plight. I don't think it would at this point.

I didn't intend to focus on the egalitarian part, more to the point that government and the wealthy have almost always formed a codependency through out history. You mentioned the right is fed up which has lead to Trumps popularity. I mentioned there are rumblings out there.

Folks are fed up for thousands of reasons. If the masses break down the bond between the wealthy and the government, string up all the lobbyists and bankers etc., then those thousands of reasons will compete for attention. And my guess? Once again the environment will be pushed to the sideline as other more short term demands take precedent.

I am not quite understanding all this focus on the wealthy and the government being the cause of the problem. Aren't we all Kudzu Apes here in the 21st century by default, regardless of how wise we are to our plight?

[eastbay]

I see quite a few original members from the first graduating Peak Oil Class of 2004 on this topic.
We joined twelve years ago. Imagine that.

[Ibon]

I see quite a few original members from the first graduating Peak Oil Class of 2004 on this topic.
We joined twelve years ago. Imagine that.

It has been a dozen years hasn't it. Time has no meaning.

[Hawkcreek]

Yeah. I am an old man now. I was an 'expert', now I just dither. A dithering old man. Who?

Hi Eastbay, how's the revolution going? Can I join?

Hey Eastbay, I wanna join too -- can I, can I, please!

It is kind of strange. I remember first finding this site while I was working at the Alpine Oil Field, in Alaska. How things have changed- and I still like it here.

BTW, I think I got you guys on seniority, even if I don't have anywhere near the post count.

[onlooker]

You guys sound a bit jaded and cynical. With justification guys.