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Re: War on terror continues, drone strikes in Pakistan and Y

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sat 07 May 2011, 22:14:30

And besides. We gotta feed the military industrial complex. :roll:

So, I can see it now. The budget battle will go nowhere SUBSTANTIVE as far as reaching a meaningful solution since:

a). The left will demand to increase net social programs, because people NEED it.
b). The left will claim that such programs MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE since (for example) Obamacare is going to give free medical care to well over 30 million more people AND save us financially by "bending the cost curve" (by some assumed magical process at some unspecified time - Obama trumpets this repeatedly). Another example is the DNC claiming that making unemployment unending (think welfare) is GOOD for the economy. Just think -- if NONE of us worked, by that logic the GNP would be more or less infinite! 8O
c). The right will demand to increase the military budget (to fight terrorism being the primary excuse).
d). The right will claim to hate taxes AND hate budget deficits, and blame all the problems on social programs (AKA the demon left).

Both sides will (rightly) see the extremists on the other side as intransigent and, basicially idiotic. Both sides will be correct. I'm betting the middle ground will have too few adherents (gotta buy those votes, dontcha know) to make a difference.

Somehow I just don't believe all the current hype that commodities and inflation are now doomed, that the dollar will be our strong and glorious savior, and all is now well since Bin Laden is dead... (I'm NOT saying to buy silver tomorrow -- I'm talking about the dollar demise continuing over time).
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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THE Pakistan Pipeline Watch Thread (merged)

Unread postby bratticus » Sat 18 Jun 2011, 19:47:25

I regret starting this thread on the grounds that it's going to be so very tedious but something inside me says "cureate it" so here goes:
Gas pipeline blown up in Dera Bugti APP / June 17, 2011

DERA MURAD JAMALI: Unidentified attackers blew up a 16-inch diametre gas pipeline in the Pirkoh area of Dera Bugti on Friday. However, no loss of life was reported in the incident.

According to the Levies Force, the assailants attached an explosive device with the gas pipeline which exploded. The blast damaged the pipeline and gas supply from the Pirkoh plant was suspended.

Levies Force and bomb disposal squad personnel reached the site and cordoned off the area with efforts launched to trace the attackers.
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Re: Pakistan Pipeline Watch

Unread postby bratticus » Sun 19 Jun 2011, 11:12:28

Kashmir biggest hurdle between Pak-India: Fazlur
International News Network / June 19, 2011


“ ... We abandoned the Iran pipeline because of America. ... ” [Chief of Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (F) Maulana Fazlur Rehman] added.


OOOH! What did he mean by that? Can anybody explain to me what he meant by that?
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Re: Pakistan Pipeline Watch

Unread postby bratticus » Sun 19 Jun 2011, 11:20:22

'US never told govt don't build Iran pipeline'
Pramit Pal Chaudhuri / Hindustan Times / April 17, 2011


The United States government has never told the Indian government directly that it does not want the Iran-Pakistan-India natural gas pipeline to be built. "They have said it isn't a good thing in public," said high level sources. "But never to us directly - possibly because they know the answer they would get." ...

The hand that sabotages the pipelines is the hand that rules the world.
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Re: Pakistan Pipeline Watch

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Sat 25 Jun 2011, 10:53:48

Gas pipeline blown up in Loti
Daily Times / June 26, 2011


QUETTA: Unidentified persons blew up an 8-inch diameter gas pipeline near Loti gas field in Bugti Tribal Territory (BTT) on Saturday. According to official sources, an explosive device was fitted to the pipeline, which went off with a big bang. As result of the explosion, gas supply from well number 6 to gas purification plant was suspended. Law enforcement agencies rushed to the spot soon after the explosion and cordoned off the area. Officials also started repair work for resumption of gas supply to the plant. Balochistan Levies has registered a case against the unidentified persons. staff report
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Pakistan Converting To CNG

Unread postby peeker01 » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 22:31:41

Pakies are getting off oil. Tampa Bay
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Re: Pakistan Converting To CNG

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 22:53:49

So the war in Afghanistan was about gas pipelines???
Pakis got in early before the pipelines run through Afghanistan
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If only "they" could find an excuse to topple Iran they could get all the oil and gas and control Chinas supply and dominance.
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Re: Pakistan Converting To CNG

Unread postby peeker01 » Sun 31 Jul 2011, 23:02:10

Iran is building an illicit nuk program. Iran is threatening it's neighbors with nuclear weapons.
If somebody wacks Iran, it won't be about natgas.

This article is about CNG and the tons of oil being saved when deployed as a transportation fuel.
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Re: Pakistan Converting To CNG

Unread postby JohnRM » Mon 01 Aug 2011, 03:17:36

Very nice. My company is heavy into CNG tubing. It is extremely profitable.
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Imagine a Pakistan blackout in which the lights don’t come b

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Tue 16 Aug 2011, 22:45:34

It's more likely that Pakistan will have permanent blackouts before the US.

Attack on power line plunges Balochistan in darkness
Daily Times / August 16, 2011


QUETTA: The power shortfall in Balochistan has reached 1000 megawatts after unidentified armed men blew up two power pylons of the 220KV Uch-Sibi double circuit transmission line. The culprits attached explosive devices to the power pylons, which exploded, destroying both power pillions near Sibi district. The blast forced QESCO officials to increase the duration of load shedding all over Balochistan, barring Mekran, which has a parallel power transmission line system. Electricity is usually not available for 22 to 23 hours in remote areas and districts headquarters in Balochistan. ...


Several children faint as load shedding hits NICH
Daily Times / August 16, 2011


Karachi: Dozens of babies admitted to the nursery of National Institute of Child Health (NICH) fainted when electricity supply of the facility was suspended suddenly for one and a half hour here on Monday. As per details, several babies went unconscious due to sudden electricity outage in the nursery, while babies in operation theatre were also affected due to sudden electricity failure. According to the sources, the administration of the hospital refused to start the standby generator on pretext of no funds for purchasing fuel. Patients complain that the administration more than often does not start the generator when the electricity supply is suspended, causing great misery to the patients. ...


Attacks on power towers to increase loadshedding
The Nation / August 16, 2011


LAHORE – Sabotage activities have been increased on transmission lines of National Transmission and Despatch Company (NTDC) in Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhawa as the miscreants have blown up five towers during last three days, Pakistan Electric Power Company stated on Monday.

According to the statement, the incident of sabotage activity took place on last night, when criminals blew up tower on 220 KV Sibbi-Quetta transmission line at Kohlu in Balochistan, thus affected the power supply to Quetta and its surrounding areas, whereas, the second tower was also blown up on same night at 4 am on Uch-Shikarpur transmission line at Jafferabad in Balochistan and affected power supply to Balochistan and few areas of interior Sindh, the statement added.

In another sabotage activity, which occurred on 12/13 August’s night, the towers of 220 kv Guddu-Sibbi and Uch-Sibbi transmission lines were also blown up thus affected the power supply to Quetta and its surrounding areas and restricted power supply to 300 MW instead of 600 MW for Uch Power Station, the Company stated. ...

Sure would hate to have to take an elevator in Pakistan.
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Re: Imagine a Pakistan blackout in which the lights don’t co

Unread postby rangerone314 » Thu 18 Aug 2011, 19:36:11

Maybe they'll use torches so they can cut each other's heads off in the dark.
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Re: Imagine a Pakistan blackout in which the lights don’t co

Unread postby dolanbaker » Fri 19 Aug 2011, 00:54:08

Sure would hate to have to take an elevator in Pakistan.

I was in Islamabad in the early 1990s, first thing we were told was never to use the lifts as the electric was so unreliable, so no change there!
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Re: THE Pakistan Thread pt 2 (merged)

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 11 Oct 2011, 04:25:05

Energy Crises and Riots in Pakistan
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The ways in which energy shortages can jeopardise the political stability in a democratic set-up became apparent during the recent power riots in Pakistan.
Mass protests across the cities of Pakistan in the first week of October were symbolic of the angst of the common man directly affected by power cuts of about 14-18 hrs a day. 8O

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Stratfor map of Iran-Pakistan-China gas pipeline

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sun 16 Oct 2011, 01:56:41

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Re: Stratfor map of Iran-Pakistan-China gas pipeline

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Fri 21 Oct 2011, 07:58:35

Some 2011 activity in the area along where the pipeline travels:
Oil pipeline explodes in Memon Goth
By Mohammad Yaseen / The Express Tribune / January 10, 2011


KARACHI: Oil spilled onto the streets of Memon Goth when a crude oil pipeline burst on Saturday night. ...

... Memon Goth ASI Ghulam Rasool said that some men made a hole in the pipeline, using a drill machine, to steal oil but the hole expanded and the pipeline exploded. “Stealing oil is a common practice in this area but this time some inexperienced thieves gave it a try,” he said. ...


Militants blow up gas pipeline in Balochistan
AFP via The Express Tribune / January 13, 2011


QUETTA: Tribal rebels blew up a gas pipeline in the province of Balochistan early Thursday, cutting supplies to several areas in cold weather, officials said.

The pre-dawn blast damaged the main pipe bringing gas from Jafarabad district to the provincial capital Quetta and five other districts, Sui Southern Gas Company spokesman Inayatullah Ismail told AFP.

“The gas supply to thousands of consumers has been suspended,” he said, adding that it could take two days to repair the pipeline. ...

Violent retaliation: Second attack on gas pipeline in two days
By Shehzad Baloch / The Express Tribune / January 15, 2011


A gas pipeline and a well was blown up in the Bugti tribal territory disrupting supply to various townships and localities in the second such incident in two days.

An explosive device was attached to a gas pipeline in Bugti Colony in Sui, which exploded and destroyed the 22-inch diameter pipeline. Fire erupted from the pipeline after the blast and engulfed nearby shops and mud houses, damaging them. People in nearby houses were shifted to safer places. The well, supplying gas to the Uch power plant, was blown up by unknown miscreants.

Meanwhile, the destroyed high pressure pipeline in Dera Allah Yar is yet to be repaired 24 hours after the attack, Sui Southern Gas Company (SSGC) officials said. ...

Gas pipeline on Sindh-Balochistan border blown up
The Express Tribune / January 20, 2011


Unidentified attackers on Thursday destroyed a gas pipeline near Kandh Kot which was supplying gas from Sui to Karachi.

Around 15-foot-long piece of the pipeline was destroyed suspending gas supply to many areas in Sindh. The pipeline was blown up in the Hajano area on the Sindh-Balochistan border. ... Two similar cases took place in the recent past, where gas pipelines were blown up by militants in Balochistan. ...

Gas pipeline explodes near Thull
The Express Tribune / March 1, 2011


SUKKUR: A main transmission line supplying gas to Quetta from Sui exploded near village Mohammad Bux Malik, an area close to Thull, late Sunday night, suspending supply of gas to many cities and towns of Balochistan. ...

Pipeline blown up in Dera Bugti
The Express Tribune / March 27, 2011


Unidentified people blew up a gas pipeline in the Dera Bugti district of Balochistan on Sunday.

According to reports, an explosive device which was planted along a gas pipeline in the Sui town went off with a huge explosion. ...

Gas pipeline blown up in Balochistan
The Express Tribune / April 16, 2011


QUETTA: Gas supply to different cities of Punjab was disrupted after unidentified people blew up a supply line to Sui Plant on Saturday.

The 24-inch diameter pipeline ran from Pir Koh gas field in Dera Bugti to Sui Plant. ...

'US never told govt don't build Iran pipeline'
Pramit Pal Chaudhuri / Hindustan Times / April 17, 2011


The United States government has never told the Indian government directly that it does not want the Iran-Pakistan-India natural gas pipeline to be built. "They have said it isn't a good thing in public," said high level sources. "But never to us directly - possibly because they know the answer they would get." ...



Kashmir biggest hurdle between Pak-India: Fazlur
International News Network / June 19, 2011


“ ... We abandoned the Iran pipeline because of America. ... ” [Chief of Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (F) Maulana Fazlur Rehman] added.


Gas pipeline blown up in Loti
Daily Times / June 26, 2011


QUETTA: Unidentified persons blew up an 8-inch diameter gas pipeline near Loti gas field in Bugti Tribal Territory (BTT) on Saturday. According to official sources, an explosive device was fitted to the pipeline, which went off with a big bang. As result of the explosion, gas supply from well number 6 to gas purification plant was suspended. ...

Gas pipeline blown up in Dera Allah Yar
Daily Times / June 29, 2011


QUETTA: Unidentified persons blew up a 16-inch diameter gas pipeline in Goth Noor Khan area of Dera Allah Yar on Thursday. According to official sources, an explosive device fitted to the pipeline went off, destroying the pipeline and disrupting supplies. ...


Militants destroy part of a gas pipeline in Jaffarabad
Daily Times / August 20, 2011


QUETTA: Unidentified persons blew up an 18-inch diameter gas pipeline near Malgzar area in Jaffarabad on Friday, disrupting the gas supply to nearby townships and interior Sindh. Unidentified militants attached explosive materials to the pipeline which detonated, damaging a portion of pipeline, local officials confirmed. ...
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Re: Stratfor map of Iran-Pakistan-China gas pipeline

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Fri 21 Oct 2011, 08:21:00

No there is nothing wrong with the idea of a new pipeline in Pakistan. They have cleared out all the old pipelines to make room for it by blowing them up.
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Re: Stratfor map of Iran-Pakistan-China gas pipeline

Unread postby babystrangeloop » Fri 21 Oct 2011, 08:38:47

Plus the economy has been strengthen by all of this. The weaker members of the herd are eliminated and now only the stronger players remain, right?

Gas prices increased by 13.55 percent
By Zeeshan Javaid / Daily Times / August 08, 2011


ISLAMABAD: Oil and Gas regulatory Authority (OGRA) on Sunday issued a notification of 13.55 percent hike in gas tariff for all consumers, excluding fertiliser feed stock and the Liberty Power as advised by the federal government. ...


Gas load shedding affects 50% of textile sector: APTMA
Daily Times / October 20, 2011


LAHORE: All Pakistan Textile Mills Association (APTMA) has expressed concerns over unprecedented gas supply suspension for textile industry in Punjab.

The textile industry was denied gas for 77 days in 2008-09, followed by 100 days in 2009-10 and 160 days in 2010-11. ...

... He expressed fear any further delay in principle decision of giving priority to textile industry for gas supply in winter would avoid massive lay off ahead. ...


Load shedding causes riots nationwide
Pak Tribune / October 3, 2011


LAHORE: Rampant load shedding has brought about mass protests across Pakistan breaking the back of already crippled business activities.

... After remaining without powers on Sunday, people went berserk to stage mass protests shouting anti-government slogans, burning tyres, blocking roads, staging sit ins and ransacking FESCO premises in Faisalabad. ...

... In Rawalpindi and Islamabad, unannounced load shedding hours have increased up to 6-8 hours [daily].


This leads to increased social stability so I anticipate completion of an Iran-Pakistan-China gas pipeline by yesterday if not last week.
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Things are moving swiftly in Pakistan

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Wed 30 Nov 2011, 07:05:14

BBC feeds to Pakistan have been terminated. BBC aired a documentary linking the Pakistan leadership with the Taliban.

As reported earlier, Pakistan has been playing a shell game with their nuclear warheads, transporting them around the country in ordinary trucks to hide them from NATO and the US, who they believe are planning an assault to secure them (take them away from Pakistan).

These trucks do NOT have security convoys, as that would make them easy to spot.

Pakistan is clearly showing they fear the US more than the Taliban and it is suspected that the border attack by a Pakistan checkpoint against NATO forces across the border in Afghanistan, resulting in a counterstrike killing several Pakistanis, was intentionally initiated to provide an excuse for breaking ties with the US and NATO including supplies through Pakistan.

The Karzai government in Afghanistan has been suspected of colaborating with both the Taliban and the Pakistanis.

In other words, they all want us out. The governments we have been paying to allow us military access are now collaborating against us.

It is looking very likely we will have a radical muslim nuclear state in Pakistan in the near future, and that NATO forces in Afghanistan are about to be abruptly hung out to dry. Pakistan is currently the only Muslim nuclear state in the world. Many in the military are already collaborating with or actually belong to the Taliban.

I don't see there is much we can do about it, other than get our troops out immediately and then try to do something about Pakistan's nukes. Pakistan has also been operating closely with the Iranian government.

It looks like it is all moving in exactly the direction we didn't want it to go.

There is nothing to keep Pakistan from giving Iran a couple nuclear warheads, they have 150-200.

This is the one thing no one is talking about. Notice the attack on the British Embassy in Iran coincided with Pakistan cutting off the BBC feeds.

We have no friends over there in that part of the world. It's time to address the situation and limit our vunerability.

I'm sure Israel must be just hoppin' crazy about now.


Cavalier US attitude risks turning Pakistan into another Iran
Anti-US feeling in Pakistan is becoming institutionalised at higher levels of government, while opposition figures such as Imran Khan see their popularity rise on the back of diatribes aimed at the US. Pakistan's Western-educated, secular political elite is under attack from Islamist militants who revile it as Washington's stooge. The knock-kneed government is mocked and despised for failing to stand up to its infidel paymasters even as Pakistan's own ''war on terror'' death toll rises into the tens of thousands.

Since 2001, when the Bush administration told Islamabad it must take sides, be either ''for us or agin us'' in the ''war on terror'', Pakistan has struggled under a plethora of American demands and impositions at once politically indefensible and contrary to the perceived national interest.

The past year has been another humiliating one at the hands of the country's principal ally. Pakistan has looked on as US special forces flouted its sovereignty and killed Osama bin Laden under the army's nose; as the US stepped up drone attacks in Pakistan, despite repeated protests; and as people-pleasing US senators and Republican presidential candidates have taken to picking on Pakistan and its aid bill in uninformed foreign policy rants.

The belief that impoverished, divided Pakistan has no alternative but to slavishly obey could turn out to be one of the seminal strategic miscalculations of the 21st century. Alternative alliances with China or Russia aside, Muslim Pakistan, if bullied and scorned enough, could yet morph through external trauma and internal collapse into quite a different animal. The future paradigm is not another well-trained Indonesia or Malaysia. It is the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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That's a massively nuclear-armed Islamic Republic of Pakistan that we will have pushed into an alliance with Iran.

What sells well to a Republican Primary electorate will push us into war with a nuclear armed Pakistan/Iran alliance. We could see car bombs taken to a new level, with them sailing nuclear-armed container ships into our ports and setting them off.

I know, politicians are notoriously narcissistic and even sociopathic, but come on. What they say could have deadly consequences. They need to STFU.
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Re: Things are moving swiftly in Pakistan

Unread postby Novus » Wed 30 Nov 2011, 08:14:05

If a war is started here it is because NATO is being the aggressors. There is probably NATO troops on Pakistan soil right now and NATO jets in their airspace all the while killer drones are carrying out daily assassinations of Pakistani citizens. Under normal circumstances these acts would all be considered acts of war. No nation would stand for it. If we tried this with China they would sink our entire Pacific fleet and if we tried this with Russia there would be WWIII.

The problem isn't Pakistan. The problem is our leaders in Washington and London are a bunch of bat shit crazy war mongers.
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Re: Things are moving swiftly in Pakistan

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Wed 30 Nov 2011, 08:37:47

NATO trucks remain stranded in Pakistan
NATO vehicles carrying fuel and other supplies for US-led forces in Afghanistan have remained stranded in Pakistan after Islamabad's closing of several border crossings, Press TV reports.

The vehicles are under increasing security threats amid rising anti-US sentiment across the country following recent NATO aerial attacks on Pakistani military outposts near the Afghan border that killed 28 Pakistani soldiers on November 26.

Pakistan has blocked ground supply routes through the country to the US-led forces in Afghanistan.

Pakistani government made the decision to block NATO supply routes during an extraordinary meeting one day after the attacks.

Pakistan has also ordered US forces to vacate the Shamsi airbase within 15 days.

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Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar has said it was time for the country "to review its relations" while demanding "complete clarity" from the international community on Islamabad's sovereignty.

Khar said the US has been issued a notice to vacate the Shamsi airbase in Balochistan province within 15 days in line with the cabinet's decision.

Pakistan asked the US to vacate the airbase and shut down all NATO supply routes.

Describing the air raid on border posts in Mohmand Agency as a breach of sovereignty and a violation of international law, Khar said, "The time has come to review our relations".

"We don't want any aid or assistance but we want to live with dignity and honour," she added. Demanding "complete clarity" from the international community about Pakistan's sovereignty, Khar said the country wanted to move forward with honour and dignity.

She said it was up to "Pakistan's political forces to evolve a future strategy keeping in view the current situation".

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Sounds like they said, we don't want your stinkin' aid. Get the f**k out.
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