John_A wrote:The FIRST thing ASPO or TOD or Heinberg should put out if they, and by extension YOU, want to be taken seriously is their own cost/supply curve. Without it? You are stuck with intellectual meanderings, the point of which is to try and hide your lack of rigor on the topic of resource depletion.
JohnA, I don't know what the exact debating term for it is, but you are assembling a specific set of conditions that you know cannot be met, and then challenging the other side to meet them.
It is not possible (short of feigned ignorance) to deny the large amount of resources available for human use. The etimates range from 6 trillion barrels or more of in-place resource in just conventional oil fields through perhaps 14 trillions barrels once the kerogen deposits of Colorado, the tar sands of Canada, and various other items are brought into play.
Any cost/supply curve can either recognize this reality, or be refuted in about 10 seconds of googling. Therefore your challenge is nothing more than an attempt to force others to recognize or repeat a point which appears to refute peak oil, that there is way more stuff left than we have used to date.
The only alternative to this is for someone to argue about other aspects of peak oil, such as production rate, or price. Which is the tack Ralfy appears to have taken.
You two are talking past each other, I'm betting because you use different definitions of "peak oil", and you are just naturally argumentative.
Hubbert's concept was not economic in nature. You are trying to force economic ideas into the equation, and a much more inclusive definition of useable resource. Peak oil in the more Hubbertian sense relates to flowrates and currently known estimates of size, there is a reason most of his estimates have actually been wrong, and they relate tochanges in technology, and things economists were right about.
Coming up with a cost/supply curve isn't the answer, because both size, technology and flowrates are all equally important. You are placing too much emphasis on only the part of this debate that you like. Or are trying to win. Or something.