KaiserJeep wrote:I personally do not have the courage or the hatred of humanity to advocate for the (absolutely necessary) genocide to save the planet. I am an advocate for the human species, the planet is only the creche that shelters the childhood of the humans. Now we move some of our species off the dying world and into space. The species survives, the planet dies, and we still have human souls because we did not exterminate 7 billion people, they did it to themselves.
I no longer even argue this position in this Forum, because it is moot. The extreme position of the AGW fanboys is a really stupid one, because they cannot accept the facts - they would have you believe that we would survive if we simply quit burning gasoline and coal. That there are an endless number of other resource constraints following fossil fuels is being ignored - just reduce carbon dioxide emissions, and life will be all sweetness and light.
Kaiser Jeep wrote:...they would have you believe that we would survive if we simply quit burning gasoline and coal. That there are an endless number of other resource constraints following fossil fuels is being ignored - just reduce carbon dioxide emissions, and life will be all sweetness and light.
Cid_Yama wrote:This is not a GOP vs Democrats issue. This is the Corporatists attempting to control BOTH parties, to give YOU no choice.
Time people stopped wasting their energy fighting each other and start fighting THEM. The Corporatists are seizing control of the government. The only power the people have against them.
careinke wrote:-snip-
KJ, I understand where you are coming from, but I think your vision has a blind spot. Even if billions of people are dying on earth, and the sixth mass extinction continues to accelerate, and sea level rise accelerates faster than expected, all of which I believe will probably happen, it is still cheaper, easier, and a lot more doable to "colonize" earth than to colonize space. You would be able to save many more people colonizing earth, whatever it takes, than trying to do it from the bottom of a huge, expensive to crawl out of gravity hole like earth.
Just sayin
The extreme position of the AGW fanboys is a really stupid one, because they cannot accept the facts
clif wrote:
The USA with the head up their arse GOPers aren't going to spend any money building anything, let alone a space colonization empire, Reagan made sure of that. No private finance enterprise has the actual capabilities to put 10,000 people into permanent orbit, no matter the fevered dreams of the GOP and their moneyed trusts.
fact.
bet on it.
What political party one belongs to has nothing to do with it.
clif wrote:What political party one belongs to has nothing to do with it.
Has NOTHING to do with what political party you subscribe to, but with the historical FACT that NASA as a space agency was working very well till the privateers can along to make money off of it, with NO regard to their actual mission. Before the money first crowd came along we lead the entire planet in space research, and accomplishments after not so much.
The privateers are still struggling to actually consistently launch rockets, something NASA did regularly in the 1960's, in low earth orbit at that. Returning to the Moon or beyond is out of their reach.
The political ideology came from the right that killed NASA and has stalled our space program for decades, same ideology that has undermines the needed repairs to most of our infrastructure, destroying education, scientific research, and milking the federal budget for their private profit no matter how much damage to the collective commons results.
Too bad the ideology was much more important than the science.
Kinda reminds me of how they stand on climate change eh?
vtsnowedin wrote: We need to turn what resources and technology we have left to the problems we face here on earth , population, species extinction, climate change, oil depletion/ energy supply etc. and stop fantasizing about escaping earth and beginning a star trek.
Ibon wrote:vtsnowedin wrote: We need to turn what resources and technology we have left to the problems we face here on earth , population, species extinction, climate change, oil depletion/ energy supply etc. and stop fantasizing about escaping earth and beginning a star trek.
That smells a lot like learning how to self regulate. Watch out with those comments. There are doom hawks all over this site that will pounce on you for making this suggestion. I am still licking my wounds but my resolve remains intact
clif wrote:The privateers are still struggling to actually consistently launch rockets, something NASA did regularly in the 1960's, in low earth orbit at that. Returning to the Moon or beyond is out of their reach.
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