[SeaGypsy]

Carlhole; is it that you are focused on 9/11 fraud holding you back?

I'm Australian.

Pearl harbour was manipulated.

JFK was assasinated by his employees.

The moon landings were faked.

9/11 was a hoax.

Ahaha!!! SG has lost it completely Ahahahaaaa!

what's next Ahahaha?!

A rock from the moon is fake!

Gee wiz! (not at all surprized)

[SeaGypsy]

I'm surprised so many are frustrated that this topic has been raised. If it's false, then what harm will discussing it cause?
How are crazy ideas supposed to get sorted out except by talking through the different points of view? If you can't discuss it in the PO.com Open Forum where can you discuss it?

I wish that there were some photos of the Moon's surface from the earth or satellite telescopes that showed the landing spots and the gear they left behind. As I understand it, the Hubble telescope does not provide enough resolution to provide these kinds of images. But to be clear, I believe that the Moon landings occurred.

Subsequent to this post, there are such photos now.


Explanation re resolution from Hubble, and statement re coming Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/11jul_lroc.htm

LRO pictures:
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

Is that supposed to be funny?
The 'lunar module' shadow isn't just off it's opposite where it should be.
Please check your evidence before posting!

[BigTex]

Ah, I'm glad we got that loop closed.

These photos are from Apollo 14...
Maybe Apollo 11 was just an unmanned mission?

After all it is recently reported that Armstrong personally doesn't believe that he was there.
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/co ... inces_neil

Maybe only latter visits were real?
Or maybe none

You cited an Onion article for your source.

Come on.

[EnergyUnlimited]

You cited an Onion article for your source.

Come on.

So do you think that some silly site could easily usurp that someone with celebrity status and huge government backing have said something outrageous, even if he didn't ?
That is the best avenue for lengthy lawsuits, $10 million compensation bill and an ultimate bankruptcy.

If I don't see lawsuits coming against an Onion as a result, I will actually believe that Armstrong have said that.

[EnergyUnlimited]

Is that supposed to be funny?
The 'lunar module' shadow isn't just off it's opposite where it should be.
Please check your evidence before posting!

You got it wrong.
Shadows are from craters, not from rocks, so they are pointing the other way.

[SeaGypsy]

Is that supposed to be funny?
The 'lunar module' shadow isn't just off it's opposite where it should be.
Please check your evidence before posting!

You got it wrong.
Shadows are from craters, not from rocks, so they are pointing the other way.

God! To think I thought shadows from the sun all went the same way!!! How stupid of me!

But then I thought you had a brain.....

[vision-master]

Stanislav Pokrovsky

Stanislav Georgievich Pokrovsky (born 1959)[37] is a Russian candidate of technical sciences and General Director of a scientific-manufacturing enterprise Project-D-MSK.[38]

In 2007, he studied the filmed staging of the first stage (S-IC) of the Saturn V rocket after the launch of Apollo 11.[39] Analysing it frame by frame, he calculated the actual speed of the Saturn V rocket at S-IC staging time using four different, independent and mutually verifying methods. With all of them, the calculated speed turned out to be at maximum half (1.2 km/s) of the declared one at that point (2.4 km/s). He concluded that due to this, no more than 28 tonnes could be brought on the way to the Moon, including the spacecraft, instead of the 46 tonnes declared by NASA, and so a loop around the Moon was possible but not a manned landing on the Moon with return to the Earth.[40][41][42][43][44]

In 2008, Pokrovsky also claimed to have determined the reason why a higher speed was impossible – problems with the Inconel X-750 superalloy used for the tubes of the wall of the thrust chamber of the F-1 engine,[45] whose physics of high-temperature strength was not yet studied at that time. The strength of the material changes when affected by high temperature and plastic deformations. As a result, the F-1 engine thrust had to be lowered by at least 20%. With these assumptions, he calculated that the real speed would be the same as he had already estimated (see above). Pokrovsky proved that six or more F-1 engines (instead of five) could not be used due to the increased fuel mass required by each new engine, which in turn would require more engines, and so on.[44][46][47][48]

Pokrovsky claims that his Saturn V speed estimation is the first direct proof of the impossibility of the Apollo Moon landing.[38] He says that 15 specialists with scientific degrees (e.g. Alexander Budnik)[49] who reviewed his paper, of which at least five aerodynamics experts and three narrow specialists in ultrasonic movement and aerosols, raised no objections in principle, and the specific wishes and notes they (e.g. Vladimir Surdin)[50] did have could not change his results significantly even if followed.[51][52] Pokrovsky compares his own frame-by-frame analysis of the filmed Saturn V flight to the frame-by-frame analysis of the filmed Trinity nuclear test (1945) done by the Soviet academician Leonid Sedov who created his own blast wave theory to estimate the then top secret power of the explosion.[53]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Moon_Hoax

[Novus]

You cited an Onion article for your source. Come on.

So do you think that some silly site could easily usurp that someone with celebrity status and huge government backing have said something outrageous, even if he didn't ?
That is the best avenue for lengthy lawsuits, $10 million compensation bill and an ultimate bankruptcy. If I don't see lawsuits coming against an Onion as a result, I will actually believe that Armstrong have said that.

You do realize that the Onion purposely lies and makes things up. The Onion is a satire news sight that makes fake news seem real in order to mock it. Armstrong Never said he denies the moon landing. The Onion made it up and presented it as fact to see how many moon landing deniers they could get to believe it. When you site the Onion it is like getting Rick Rolled. It is a joke an Internet gag meme. Like look at that fool he cited the Onion hahahahaha. You have been had if you believe anything on the Onion.

[EnergyUnlimited]

God! To think I thought shadows from the sun all went the same way!!! How stupid of me! But then I thought you had a brain.....

OK, I didn't write clear, so here we are again:
So you are observing shadows of walls of craters, and these are making appearance of rings shadowed on the left of ring because right hand side of crater is not shadowed.
This means that you are observing partially shadowed holes where shadow actually goes right, even if initial impression might by different.
On the other hand shadow of object projecting up would show right to the object without any confusion.

[EnergyUnlimited]

You do realize that the Onion purposely lies and makes things up. The Onion is a satire news sight that makes fake news seem real in order to mock it. Armstrong Never said he denies the moon landing. The Onion made it up and presented it as fact to see how many moon landing deniers they could get to believe it. When you site the Onion it is like getting Rick Rolled. It is a joke an Internet gag meme. Like look at that fool he cited the Onion hahahahaha. You have been had if you believe anything on the Onion.

OK, I am not familiar with theonion site, but if they are satiric, then it is fine.
On the other hand I am sure that if any serious site or a blogger fabricated such interview, than some legal action would probably result.
Nevertheless I must admit that they got me here.

Of course it is not impossible for Armstrong to deny being on the Moon, say due to old age dementia or because some mistreatment by a government in his latter stages of career resulted in funny revenge etc... or maybe ... those little cheating Yanks!

[BigTex]

You're not the first to be stung by the Onion.

A few years ago they ran a story about a woman in China who supposedly had twins and under the one child policy was going to have to choose which one to keep and the other one would be sent to the Soylent Green plant (or some place like that).

Some church group in the U.S. caught wind of it and started raising money and contacting their members of Congress to address this horrible injustice.

[dinopello]

You're not the first to be stung by the Onion.
A few years ago they ran a story about a woman in China who supposedly had twins and under the one child policy was going to have to choose which one to keep and the other one would be sent to the Soylent Green plant (or some place like that).
Some church group in the U.S. caught wind of it and started raising money and contacting their members of Congress to address this horrible injustice.

Wow. I'm more likely to read a real news article and think that it can't possibly be true, it must be April Fools !

[da23]

than

Sorry you got me with this, than=then
then=than

sory to be a speling nazi but it's moran speak

[vision-master]

than

Sorry you got me with this, than=then
then=than
sorRy to be a spelling nNazi but it's morman speak

Maybe not everywhere? You must be thinking 'Queens English'? Like 'whilst', not very common here in the States.

[SeaGypsy]

Buzz Aldrin seems to be the most likely to 'fess up; but even he is unlikely to.
I notice watching his speech at the memorial recently that he avoids mentioning the moon and talks instead about a "Successful space mission."
You've got to feel for the guy.
Being one of the most famous people in the world for something which never happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZExne4Bwpc

He repeatedly tells us that trying to repeat moon missions is a waste and the US has too much to lose; leave that to China and India. His major focus is on "Permanent US presence on Mars by the 2030's.
Just a salesman for NASA.

[manu]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Another surprise for the lemmings.
Many more to come. Speaking of Buzz, he has a chip in his head the size of a baseball!

[KevO]

and they are talking about it 'being used for power generation here on Earth' How long have they really known about this? and how did it really get there?

explanation video at link

and breaking news article at link

[rangerone314]

Maybe they'll find oil on the moon, too.

All we would have to do is build a 230,000 mile oil pipeline to the moon, but that wouldn't be a problem! The 800 mile Alaskan pipeline provides us with good experience in doing this.

[NoWorries]

Maybe they'll find oil on the moon, too. All we would have to do is build a 230,000 mile oil pipeline to the moon, but that wouldn't be a problem! The 800 mile Alaskan pipeline provides us with good experience in doing this.

Don't forget, rangerone, new pipeline technology is being developed even as we speak that can someday make this a reality.

The new tech over the horizon will put even the most inaccessible fields within our reach by the time we get there, so no worries about that either.

[vision-master]

You ppl really are destined for doom.