pstarr wrote:Sorry Lore, it doesn't work that way in the real world. Those using fossil fuels are in the drivers seat. Guys like RM are just innocent ingenues along for the ride. "Oh please don't touch me. I have my honor." Blush.
pstarr wrote:If RM didn't make the stuff for the user. Someone else would.
It's not ass backward, it is basic economics. Apparently in your world supply necessarily creates demand? So I could simply wrap up a rock in sturdy pretty packaging and you would have to buy it. Wow. I am a rich man. Can I have you credit card #. We take paypal. Returns not accepted.
pstarr wrote:I know what you two mean. You two are stuck having to drive your cars and you hate it. And you need to lash out at somebody. That sad. But common I guess.
ennui2 wrote:Sixstrings wrote:If it were up to me I'd build the pipeline and leave the oil companies alone, but then as far as govt supports I'd fund green tech.
Your politics are schizophrenic. You can't have it both ways, man.
...When we look back, the Obama Administration will be acknowledged as the first Administration to take climate change seriously.
It is the first Administration that started to bend the curve of emissions.
It is the first Administration that ushered the U.S. into the new energy economy.
For my students and my children, who may end up working in the solar and wind industries, this president is the one that gave them the chance to bring energy to our homes in a way that didn’t warm the climate.
Presidents do matter.
Thank you President Obama.
Do you think this decision will be a big part of [Obama's] legacy on climate?
I do. I think it's a huge part, because everything else, most of it, is sort of promises and pledges for the future that other people have to achieve.
He's the first world leader to stop a big project because of its effect on the climate — that's a real legacy, and one that will reverberate all over the world.
I think this is a really important moment, not just for Keystone, but in a much larger sense. And I think the proof of that is, in the wake of this battle over Keystone, every fossil fuel project around the world now is facing the same kind of resistance. As one industry executive said this year, there's been a Keystone-ization of every other pipeline, coal mine and fracking well — and that's a very good thing.
Lore wrote:pstarr wrote:Sorry Lore, it doesn't work that way in the real world. Those using fossil fuels are in the drivers seat. Guys like RM are just innocent ingenues along for the ride. "Oh please don't touch me. I have my honor." Blush.
How can the user be in the drivers seat when they don't make the stuff? That's totally illogical. It's like when the Mexican drug cartel was blaming so many U.S. addicts for the reason why they have to produce their brand of poison. It's ass backwards!
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Tanada wrote:The climate legacy of President Obama is one of failure after failure. Personally I had great hopes when the Democrat party took the Presidency that we would see a lot of Environmental improvements. Instead we have had 7 years of lip service with almost no actual measurable progress. So much could have been done, but wasn't. Rhetoric does not help anything except appearance over substance.
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