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Re: Iraq: The Hidden Story

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 27 Oct 2006, 01:20:43

The Neocons love to brag about the "elections" in Iraq, citing that as an example of "progress".

Well, guess what: The elected Prime Minister, Nuri al-Maliki, will never finish his full term of office. He isn't working out, and he'll get his butt replaced, one way or another.

Seems he has no interest in trying to bring the Shiite militias under control. In fact, he's going to obstruct attempts to do something about them:

Doubts Grow Over Iraq's Prime Minister

Having promised, for the umpteenth time, to crack down on the sectarian death squads wreaking havoc on the Iraqi capital, the prime minister promptly turned around and castigated U.S. forces for doing precisely that. The Iraqi leader claimed that a predawn raid Wednesday on a militia stronghold by U.S. and Iraqi soldiers had been conducted without his approval, and said such attacks would not be repeated.

...Beholden to the very militias he has vowed to crush, the increasingly hamstrung prime minister has forced U.S. troops guarding the city to don kid gloves when dealing with the Mahdi Army, the militia loyal to the radical Shi'ite leader Moqtada al-Sadr, which has been blamed for much of the sectarian violence that kills an average of 100 Iraqis a day. And there is palpable frustration among U.S. soldiers patrolling the streets of Baghdad that every time they strike against the Mahdi Army, they are publicly scolded by the Iraqi prime minister.

He's as good as gone. Something will "happen" to him, or he'll be forced to resign.

What a farce. What a cruel hoax this whole sorry scene is.
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Re: Iraq: The Hidden Story

Unread postby Zardoz » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 01:14:02

We have no idea of how bad things are in Baghdad:

This is Baghdad. What could be worse?

"If they brought the Israelis, the Jews, and they ruled Iraq, it would be better," said Karima, her face framed by a black veil. Sunlight bathed the room; electricity, as usual, was cut off. "It would be a million times better than a Sunni, a million times better than a Shiite."

..."This is a civil war now," Harith Abdel-Hamid, a psychiatrist, had told me, trying to diagnose the madness. "When you see hundreds of people killed every day, corpses of people tortured in the streets every day, what else does it mean?"

"Call it what you will," he said, "but it is a civil war."

Perhaps. But I felt as though I was witnessing something more: the final, frenzied maturity of once-inchoate forces unleashed more than three years ago by the invasion. There was civil war-style sectarian killing, its echoes in Lebanon a generation ago. Alongside it were gangland turf battles over money, power and survival; a raft of political parties and their militias fighting a zero-sum game; a raging insurgency; the collapse of authority; social services a chimera; and no way forward for an Iraqi government ordered to act by Americans who themselves are still seen as the final arbiter and, as a result, still depriving that government of legitimacy.

Don't you wish that somehow Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Rove could be forced to live in Baghdad? That's the only way that they could be made to feel the full effects of what they've done.
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Re: Iraq: The Hidden Story

Unread postby AgentR » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 02:35:00

Zardoz wrote:Don't you wish that somehow Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Rove could be forced to live in Baghdad? That's the only way that they could be made to feel the full effects of what they've done.


Why? They're just making sure that we and our buddies in China have all the dollar traded oil that we need.
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Re: Iraq: The Hidden Story

Unread postby Zardoz » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 15:00:27

AgentR wrote:They're just making sure that we and our buddies in China have all the dollar traded oil that we need.

It won't last. This will end badly for us. It can come to no good end. One way or another, sooner or later, we will pay for BushCo's actions.
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Re: Iraq: The Hidden Story

Unread postby AgentR » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 16:02:50

Zardoz wrote:
AgentR wrote:They're just making sure that we and our buddies in China have all the dollar traded oil that we need.
It won't last. This will end badly for us. It can come to no good end. One way or another, sooner or later, we will pay for BushCo's actions.


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Re: Iraq: The Hidden Story

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 16:26:22

I've been reading about rumors of a possible coup against Maliki to put in some kind of strongman junta and crush the Shiite militias. It seems the neoconservatives are on the ropes in Washington, and so-called realists are gaining ground. The realists see Iraqi democracy as a failed experiment. A lot of people in Washington want to get out of there. Personally, I think that if its more about oil than terrorists (who also want the oil don't forget) and they're building permanent bases then the US is going to stay come hell or high water.
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Britain's Prince Harry to be deployed in Iraq

Unread postby eXpat » Sun 18 Feb 2007, 11:26:02

Link to the article here, i guess folks down there are already queing to get to shoot at him. I can't find the link now, but i remember that sometime ago the one of the richest men in Iraq was kidnapped. He had about 90 bodywards, all veterans of the Iran/Iraq war, highly trained (you bet in Iraq) and even though they got him. Prince Harry would be a more juicy prize.
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Re: Britain's Prince Harry to be deployed in Iraq

Unread postby Tanada » Wed 16 May 2007, 20:11:30

Harry News

Deployment cancelled due to increased risk for his units, they would be specifically targeted if her were present.
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Re: Britain's Prince Harry to be deployed in Iraq

Unread postby Newsseeker » Thu 17 May 2007, 08:42:00

Tanada wrote:Harry News

Deployment cancelled due to increased risk for his units, they would be specifically targeted if her were present.


Some soldier, you can't use him if you need him and he just bellies up to the public trough and slams his fat face in. Great.
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Re: Britain's Prince Harry to be deployed in Iraq

Unread postby strider3700 » Thu 17 May 2007, 13:21:11

He's previously threatened to quit if they aren't willing to deploy him. We'll see if he goes through with it or not.
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Re: Britain's Prince Harry to be deployed in Iraq

Unread postby Roy » Fri 18 May 2007, 08:59:10

What ever happened to leaders leading from the front???

LOLOL

We can't have a child of the elite risked in the hell hole of Iraq. Even if said child has volunteered. I give him credit for that and hold in him in higher esteem than the children of America's ruling class.

Imagine the children of the elite VOLUNTEERING to serve in Iraq in the US armed forces! LOLOLOL

Yeah, that will happen!

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Re: Britain's Prince Harry to be deployed in Iraq

Unread postby Lore » Fri 18 May 2007, 11:09:40

strider3700 wrote:He's previously threatened to quit if they aren't willing to deploy him. We'll see if he goes through with it or not.


Now quitting wouldn't be very regimental... would it Din?

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British General Says PO was premise for Iraq war

Unread postby seahorse2 » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 12:52:43

Article will confirm what some here believe. At any rate, interesting read.
Ex-British Army Chief in Iraq Confirms Peak Oil as Motive for War;
Praises Fraudulent Reconstruction Programmes © Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed:

Brigadier-General James Ellery CBE, the Foreign Office's Senior Adviser to the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad since 2003, confirmed the critical role of Iraqi oil reserves in potentially alleviating a "world shortage" of conventional oil. The Iraq War has helped to head off what Brigadier Ellery described as "the tide of Easternisation" – a shift in global political and economic power toward China and India, to whom goes "two thirds of the Middle East's oil."

After the 2004 transfer of authority to an interim Iraqi civilian administration, Brigadier Ellery set up and ran the 700-strong security framework operation in support of the US-funded Reconstruction of Iraq. His remarks were made as part of a presentation at the School of Oriental & African Studies (SOAS), University of London, sponsored by the Iraqi Youth Foundation, on 22nd April.

World Oil Shortage: "The reason that oil reached $117 a barrel last week", he said, "was less to do with security of supply... than World shortage." He went on to emphasise the strategic significance of Iraqi petroleum fields in relation to the danger of production peaks being breached in major oil reserves around the world. "Russia's production has peaked at 10 million barrels per day; Africa has proved slow to yield affordable extra supplies – from Sudan and Angola for example. Thus the only near-term potential increase will be from Iraq," he said. Whether Iraq began "favouring East or West" could therefore be "de-stabilizing" not only "within the region but to nations far beyond which have an interest."

Last month geological surveys and seismic data compiled by several international oil companies exploring Iraqi oil reserves showed that Iraq has the world's largest proven oil reserves, with as much as 350 billion barrels, significantly exceeding Saudi Arabia's 264 billion barrels, according to a report in the London Times. Former Bush administration energy adviser Matthew Simmons, author of the book Twilight in the Desert, says that Saudi oil production has probably already peaked, with production rates declining consecutively each year. This month the UK Treasury Department warned of the danger of an oil supply crunch by 2015, due to rocketing demand from China and India.

The Threat of Easternisation: Brigadier Ellery's career in the British Army has involved stints in the Middle East, Africa, Bosnia, Germany and Northern Ireland. "Iraq holds the key to stability in the region," he said, "unless that is you believe the tide of 'Easternisation' is such that the USA and the West are in such decline, relative to the emerging China and India, that it is the East – not the West – which is more likely to guarantee stability. Incidentally, I do not." Iraq's pivotal importance in the Middle East, he explained, is because of its "relatively large, consuming population" at 24 million, its being home to "the second largest reserve of oil – under exploited", and finally its geostrategic location "on the routes between Asia, Europe, Arabia and North Africa - hence the Silk Road."

Oil production peaks when a given petroleum reserve is depleted by half, after which oil is geophysically increasingly difficult to extract, causing production to plateau, and then steadily decline. US oil production peaked by 1970, while British production in the North Sea peaked by 2000, converting both countries from exporters into net importers of oil and gas.

Oil industry experts and petroleum geologists increasingly believe that world oil production is precariously close to peaking. According to an October 2007 report by the German-based Energy Watch Group, run by an international network of European politicians and scientists, world oil production peaked in 2006. According to BP's annual statistical review of world energy supply and demand for 2008, released on 11th June, world oil production fell last year for the first time since 2002, by 130,000 barrels per day last year to 81.53 million. Yet world consumption continued to rise by 1.1 per cent to 85.22 million barrels per day, outweighing production by nearly 5 per cent.

Iraqi Reconstruction Corruption Whitewash: Brigadier-General James Ellery is currently Director of Operations at AEGIS Defence Services Ltd., a private British security firm and US defence contractor since June 2004. In April this year, the same month as Ellery's SOAS lecture, AEGIS won the renewal of its US defence department (DoD) contract for two more years, which at $475 million is the single largest security contract brokered by the DoD. The contract is to provide security services for reconstruction projects in Iraq conducted by mostly American companies.

A US government audit by the Office of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, released exactly two years before Brigadier Ellery's SOAS presentation, concluded that AEGIS could not prove it had properly trained or vetted several armed Iraqi employees. For a random sample of 20 armed guards, no training documentation was found for 14 of them. For 125 other employees, AEGIS reportedly failed to document background checks. The auditors concluded that "there is no assurance that Aegis is providing the best possible safety and security for government and reconstruction contractor personnel and facilities."

During his April presentation at SOAS, AEGIS director Ellery declared, "Iraq promises a degree of prosperity in the region as it embarks on massive Iraqi-funded reconstruction, a part of which will raise Iraqi's oil production from 2.5 million bpd today to 3 million by next year and maybe ultimately 6 million barrels per day." He added, "With a budget of $187 billion over 4 years, Iraq is poised to have a considerable impact on the economies of countries whose technologies can fill the skills gap left by the latter years of Saddam Hussein's regime." During the UN sanctions regime imposed primarily by the US and Britain, Iraq was banned from importing thousands of household goods, including food, medicines, clothes and books, from 1991 to 2003, purportedly to prevent Saddam from developing weapons of mass destruction. It is now widely recognized that the sanctions led to massive socio-economic deprivation, the break-down of civilian infrastructure, large-scale unemployment, and de-industrialisation, resulting in the deaths of up to 1.8 million Iraqis, half of whom were children. The humanitarian crisis led United Nations officials such as Dennis Halliday, former UN Assistant Secretary-General, and Hans von Sponeck, former Humanitarian Coordinator in Iraq, to resign in protest.

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Re: British General Says PO was premise for Iraq war

Unread postby btu2012 » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 13:11:58

How insightful...about 5 years late though.
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Re: British General Says PO was premise for Iraq war

Unread postby Fishman » Tue 17 Jun 2008, 16:01:19

Damn I love Bush, ahead of the curve on resource wars. Now thats what I'm looking for in a president. Change, heck who needs change if we don't have the resources. Isn't that a precipitous decline? And for the leftist whiners, try eating cornmeal mush for months, did that in Kenya, it sucks.
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Re: British General Says PO was premise for Iraq war

Unread postby untothislast » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 07:48:41

Had Bush'n'Blair gone to their respective countrymen, and said: we need to secure this valuable resource as an interim cushion against severe fuel shortages - which threaten to undermine your entire quality of life - but which are currently under the control of a megalomaniac dictator' they'd have got a popular mandate to do it and would have been cheered to the rafters.

The reason why - Blair in particular - moved through every semantic contortion available, to avoid uttering the 'oil' word - is because people would have woken up, for the first time, to the enormity of a global situation for which ameliorative strategies should have been put in place decades before.

All they managed to do was put the eventual panic on 'hold'.

Now that people are learning to live with oil prices going through the roof, and are actually thinking the unthinkable - a post-oil world - the actual reasons for the Iraq invasion (not a 'war' - an invasion) will gradually supplant all that WMD/Democracy garbage.
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Ex-UK Army Chief Confirms Peak Oil Motive for War

Unread postby Graeme » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 22:28:16

Ex-UK Army Chief Confirms Peak Oil Motive for War

Brigadier-General James Ellery CBE, the Foreign Office’s Senior Adviser to the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad since 2003, confirmed the critical role of Iraqi oil reserves in potentially alleviating a “world shortage” of conventional oil. The Iraq War has helped to head off what Brigadier Ellery described as “the tide of Easternisation” – a shift in global political and economic power toward China and India, to whom goes “two thirds of the Middle East’s oil.”

Thus the only near-term potential increase will be from Iraq,” he said. Whether Iraq began “favouring East or West” could therefore be “de-stabilizing” not only “within the region but to nations far beyond which have an interest.”

Last month geological surveys and seismic data compiled by several international oil companies exploring Iraqi oil reserves showed that Iraq has the world’s largest proven oil reserves, with as much as 350 billion barrels, significantly exceeding Saudi Arabia’s 264 billion barrels, according to a report in the London Times.


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Re: Ex-UK Army Chief Confirms Peak Oil Motive for War

Unread postby WyoDutch » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 22:30:20

BAGHDAD: Four Western oil companies are in the final stages of negotiations this month on contracts that will return them to Iraq, 36 years after losing their oil concession to nationalization as Saddam Hussein rose to power.

Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total and BP — the original partners in the Iraq Petroleum Company — along with Chevron and a number of smaller oil companies, are in talks with Iraq's Oil Ministry for no-bid contracts to service Iraq's largest fields, according to ministry officials, oil company officials and an American diplomat.

The deals, expected to be announced on June 30, will lay the foundation for the first commercial work for the major companies in Iraq since the American invasion, and open a new and potentially lucrative country for their operations.
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Re: Ex-UK Army Chief Confirms Peak Oil Motive for War

Unread postby Cashmere » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 23:15:14

Well, I hope nobody dies as a result of this, but it's hard to imagine that angry Iraqis are just going to roll over and let this happen.

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Re: Ex-UK Army Chief Confirms Peak Oil Motive for War

Unread postby Schadenfreude » Wed 18 Jun 2008, 23:58:30

Graeme wrote:Ex-UK Army Chief Confirms Peak Oil Motive for War

Brigadier-General James Ellery CBE, the Foreign Office’s Senior Adviser to the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad since 2003, confirmed the critical role of Iraqi oil reserves in potentially alleviating a “world shortage” of conventional oil. The Iraq War has helped to head off what Brigadier Ellery described as “the tide of Easternisation” – a shift in global political and economic power toward China and India, to whom goes “two thirds of the Middle East’s oil.”


This article originated at foreign policy analyst Nafeez Ahmed's blog, "The Cutting Edge".

Ahmed is of Bangladeshi extraction, born and raised in London. He's obviously a very bright guy if you've read any of his books. His stuff is very well researched. His writing is clear; his arguments convincing.

Nafeez Ahmed wrote:Political analyst on security, conflict and global crisis. Director of Institute for Policy Research & Development, London. Author of "The London Bombings: An Independent Inquiry" (Duckworth, 2006) and "The War on Truth: 9/11, Disinformation and the Anatomy of Terrorism" (Arris, Olive Branch, 2005). Teaching International Relations at University of Sussex; and postgraduate courses in globalisation and empire at Brunel University's Politics and History unit. Terrorism research was officially used by the 9/11 Commission (Washington); gave expert testimony in US Congress in 2005. Current PhD research is on European empires, violence, and genocide since the 15th century.

My other books:"The War on Freedom: How & Why America was Attacked, September 11, 2001" (2002), was an instant bestseller in the US, Germany and Italy, and won the latter’s Naples Prize; "Behind the War on Terror: Western Secret Strategy and the Struggle for Iraq" (2003), examines role of energy in Western interventionism in the Middle East since the collapse of the Ottomon Empire up to Iraq War 2003. Have done political commentary for BBC World Service, Channel 4, Sky News, PBS Foreign Exchange, among many others.


Nafeez Ahmed is one of the primary research sources that David Ray Griffin and others have used in their own books about the 911 attacks and the motives behind them. Nafeez Ahmed is also featured in the documentary "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors" linked in my signature below.
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