[diemos]

Yes Cog...tell us what happens! Im all ears! Maybe deMolay will answer if you can't.

Ummm... The rich have to endure having one less bugatti and the poor get to eat?

[Livewire713]

Yes Cog...tell us what happens! Im all ears! Maybe deMolay will answer if you can't.

Ummm... The rich have to endure having one less bugatti and the poor get to eat?

The poor get to eat! What a outrage...what's next free air?

[Ludi]

Limiting companies to a 1,000 or fewer employees would be neither productive or practical

It would also be a much more cumbersome and intrusive change to the law compared to a simple change to the top income tax bracket and capital gains tax. I'm also not sure how a rich guy owning multiple smaller companies versus one or two large ones is going to have much of an effect on wealth distribution.

[Cog]

But since I have a lot of closet Marxists who want my opinion, I will venture forth.

These poor aren't going to work until they don't have a choice. Only then will they work. And they will do the least amount of work possible at the lowest acceptable level of performance. Why is that? Is it cultural? Do they not have ambition genes Who cares? It is what it is, and neither you or me is going to change it by showing them how good it is to strive for sustainability and low debt. You want to whine about the rich and cry about your situation. Then improve your situation and adapt. If you think its bad now just wait until the down-slope of peak oil. You will have a great deal to whine about then. You call yourself preppers and survivalists? You don't have a frigging clue.

If you are still whining about rich people over the last 40 years and didn't do anything to improve your situation, which coincides with the peak of the oil age and all the easy-to-get riches that entailed, you didn't want it. Simple as that.

Stop kidding yourself.

Your average poor person doesn't want to make something better of themselves.They don't want to get a college degree.They don't want to work 40 hours a week. They don't want a house with a picket fence. What they do want is to continue to suck the government teat as their parents did and as they hope their children will. If you want to pay for sloth do it and you have my blessing. But don't invite me down into your socialist hell thinking the rich somehow created poor people by their mere existence.

[Livewire713]

But since I have a lot of closet Marxists who want my opinion, I will venture forth.

These poor aren't going to work until they don't have a choice. Only then will they work. And they will do the least amount of work possible at the lowest acceptable level of performance. Why is that? Is it cultural? Do they not have ambition genes Who cares? It is what it is, and neither you or me is going to change it by showing them how good it is to strive for sustainability and low debt. You want to whine about the rich and cry about your situation. Then improve your situation and adapt. If you think its bad now just wait until the down-slope of peak oil. You will have a great deal to whine about then. You call yourself preppers and survivalists? You don't have a frigging clue.

If you are still whining about rich people over the last 40 years and didn't do anything to improve your situation, which coincides with the peak of the oil age and all the easy-to-get riches that entailed, you didn't want it. Simple as that.

Stop kidding yourself.

Your average poor person doesn't want to make something better of themselves.They don't want to get a college degree.They don't want to work 40 hours a week. They don't want a house with a picket fence. What they do want is to continue to suck the government teat as their parents did and as they hope their children will. If you want to pay for sloth do it and you have my blessing. But don't invite me down into your socialist hell thinking the rich somehow created poor people by their mere existence.

Not total BS, maybe 75% BS. Thats like saying all rich people are greedy bastards which is BS also.

[Ludi]

Not total BS, maybe 75% BS.

Mostly BS.

"Children from low-income families have only a 1 percent chance of reaching the top 5 percent of the income distribution, versus children of the rich who have about a 22 percent chance...

By international standards, the United States has an unusually low level of intergenerational mobility: our parents’ income is highly predictive of our incomes as adults. Intergenerational mobility in the United States is lower than in France, Germany, Sweden, Canada, Finland, Norway and Denmark. Among high-income countries for which comparable estimates are available, only the United Kingdom had a lower rate of mobility than the United States."

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/ ... 79981.html

[Cog]

"Children from low-income families have only a 1 percent chance of reaching the top 5 percent of the income distribution, versus children of the rich who have about a 22 percent chance...

How does increasing taxes on the rich make the low income familie's probability of reaching the top 5% bracket increase? I would appreciate if you wouldn't engage in the usual deflection this time. A simple link would work.

[vision-master]

But since I have a lot of closet Marxists who want my opinion, I will venture forth.

These poor aren't going to work until they don't have a choice. Only then will they work. And they will do the least amount of work possible at the lowest acceptable level of performance. Why is that? Is it cultural? Do they not have ambition genes Who cares? It is what it is, and neither you or me is going to change it by showing them how good it is to strive for sustainability and low debt. You want to whine about the rich and cry about your situation. Then improve your situation and adapt. If you think its bad now just wait until the down-slope of peak oil. You will have a great deal to whine about then. You call yourself preppers and survivalists? You don't have a frigging clue.

If you are still whining about rich people over the last 40 years and didn't do anything to improve your situation, which coincides with the peak of the oil age and all the easy-to-get riches that entailed, you didn't want it. Simple as that.

Stop kidding yourself.

Your average poor person doesn't want to make something better of themselves.They don't want to get a college degree.They don't want to work 40 hours a week. They don't want a house with a picket fence. What they do want is to continue to suck the government teat as their parents did and as they hope their children will. If you want to pay for sloth do it and you have my blessing. But don't invite me down into your socialist hell thinking the rich somehow created poor people by their mere existence.

No, I always thought college wuz a joke. I worked around lot's of those idiots for many years. The best ones are those in management and administarion. The ones that do nothing but try install fear into their workforce. Guess what, I got a remedy for that one. PM me for details.

Ambition genes? Don't you mean money making genes? Ru Jewish?

Ain't the internet grand - you have no power over me.

[Cog]

Ambition genes? Don't you mean money making genes? Ru Jewish?

Ain't the internet grand - you have no power over me.

Ad hom noted and you really didn't respond to the post did you.

[vision-master]

Tell us why you are such a superior being.

[Oneaboveall]

But since I have a lot of closet Marxists who want my opinion, I will venture forth.

These poor aren't going to work until they don't have a choice. Only then will they work. And they will do the least amount of work possible at the lowest acceptable level of performance. Why is that? Is it cultural? Do they not have ambition genes Who cares? It is what it is, and neither you or me is going to change it by showing them how good it is to strive for sustainability and low debt. You want to whine about the rich and cry about your situation. Then improve your situation and adapt. If you think its bad now just wait until the down-slope of peak oil. You will have a great deal to whine about then. You call yourself preppers and survivalists? You don't have a frigging clue.

If you are still whining about rich people over the last 40 years and didn't do anything to improve your situation, which coincides with the peak of the oil age and all the easy-to-get riches that entailed, you didn't want it. Simple as that.

Stop kidding yourself.

Your average poor person doesn't want to make something better of themselves.They don't want to get a college degree.They don't want to work 40 hours a week. They don't want a house with a picket fence. What they do want is to continue to suck the government teat as their parents did and as they hope their children will. If you want to pay for sloth do it and you have my blessing. But don't invite me down into your socialist hell thinking the rich somehow created poor people by their mere existence.

When conservatives talk, does it make sense to them?

[Cog]

When conservatives talk, does it make sense to them?

I don't know. Do you talk to yourself much?

[vision-master]

They just get mad and want to argue. Face it, they are all about what's in it for themselves.

And to be honest, I haven't heard of ONE good idea they have for strengthening the working class ppl of America.

Cog, help me with this?

[Livewire713]

I've done both Blue Collar (International Paper) and White Collar (State Farm) work and I can tell you Cog you are dead wrong. Worked with plenty of people at International Paper that you would consider poor that worked their butts off to get ahead. They were in no way content with being poor and they were poor, the working poor making $5.65 a hr at that time. Anytime there was a job opening for a better paying position there were always people signing up. No one was content to stack boxes, everyone wanted in the pressroom where you could make a livable wage. Working in the pressroom was not a easy job either. Standing on your feet all day, mandatory overtime, dirty and dangerous work. While I worked in the pressroom two people had their hand caught in the press, not a pretty sight. Unfortunately International Paper closed their plant after being in this area for over 80 years. Believe me no one was happy to be laid off, no one was excited to get a unemployment check.
People wanted to work, they liked getting overtime. They enjoyed having a house and a car and buying their children christmas gifts. Have you ever worked 84hrs in a single week? That's 7 12hr shifts, I have and many of the people you consider lazy and poor did as well.

[Novus]

It's important to understand the orders of magnitude in wealth between the poorest and the richest.

Think of it this way. One hundred thousand Mexican laborers working forty hours a week hanging drywall worked two hundred million man hours at ten bucks an hour and made less in 2009 than James Simmons, head of the hedge fund Renaissance Technologies, who received 2.5 billion (2,500,000,000.00) in compensation last year.

What did he do? He extracted money in small percentages from lots of other people so they could invest their savings. For that, he was paid more than 100,000,000 laborers.

Where is the Taxed Enough Already (TEA) party on this? The fools often complain about the government taking all their tax money but they don't comprehend what is going on in the world around them. The American worker is over taxed but it is not the government that is taxing them. It is the rich billionaires on Wall St that are taxing them.

This scam happens because they are thinking in terms of money rather then in terms of labor production. They don't realize that their employer will often only pay them for a small fraction of what their labor is really worth and keep rest as profit. The small business owner often doesn't see this because they don't control the entire supply line and are often fleeced themselves before they start. I am talking about the big corporations and banks here that are able to fleece the entire system. How else can 1 man be worth more than 100 million laborers?

The pitch forks and torches need to be pointed at Wall St not Washington.

[vision-master]

Yup.

[Cog]

And the cry goes forth. If only we would tax the rich, the world would be fair for once. There would be no poor. We would live in harmony with each other without conflict. The poor would not use crack, beat their wives, sexually abuse their children, and not smell bad.

Yes the world would be perfect if we just showed those evil rich people we aren't going to take it anymore and make them just like the rest of us.

I'm not sure whether to cry or laugh. Its like no one on this board ever heard about the ramifications of peak oil. Do you really think it matters who has money and who doesn't anymore? Nature won't care and neither should you. Best get building that lifeboat and stop whining about trivial matters.

[Oneaboveall]

When conservatives talk, does it make sense to them?

I don't know. Do you talk to yourself much?

Hey! Talking to the cat is NOT "talking to your self."

[vision-master]

I'm not sure whether to cry or laugh. Its like no one on this board ever heard about the ramifications of peak oil. Do you really think it matters who has money and who doesn't anymore? Nature won't care and neither should you. Best get building that lifeboat and stop whining about trivial matters.

Now you sound like LATOC... make up your mind!

[Cog]

I'm not sure whether to cry or laugh. Its like no one on this board ever heard about the ramifications of peak oil. Do you really think it matters who has money and who doesn't anymore? Nature won't care and neither should you. Best get building that lifeboat and stop whining about trivial matters.

Now you sound like LATOC... make up your mind!

I'm sorry that I can't find it within my intellect to follow a herd. They generally don't have a plan.